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Comment by ethin

1 hour ago

Okay. Please generate using an AI model code for a safety-critical system which is able to be incorporated into an aircraft and that passes the coding standards and requirements in that domain and come back and tell us all about it. Surely, if AI was so good across the entire domain of software engineering, this would be trivial to do.

Edit: although you might be subject to an NDA... But this is pretty much my test for "AIs will take all the jobs": can it write truly safety-critical software yet?

Okay. Please write such a system yourself.

Most programmers are not experienced enough to write such code themselves off-hand, but more importantly, the safety-critical systems are made safe by following a strict process, not by skills of individuals, which makes it orthogonal to involvement of LLMs.

Also, weird choice of example. 99.9% of coding is not safety-critical, so whatever reservations this would imply (even if it actually doesn't imply any), don't apply anyway.

  • > Okay. Please write such a system yourself.

    Why? This has already done via existing processes. My point was to illustrate that if the future is LLMs then surely these processes wouldn't be needed anymore? After all, the LLM would just... Do it itself.

    > ... the safety-critical systems are made safe by following a strict process, not by skills of individuals, which makes it orthogonal to involvement of LLMs.

    And an LLM that is going to take all the jobs wouldn't be able to execute that process independently and with little oversight?

    If my example is, to you, not a good one, what would you rather I use? Most of the common ones can be overly trivialized/minimized (particularly by someone who is uninterested in admitting that LLMs can't do something). That is not to imply that the gp is this kind of individual, but far too many people who I ask to do this (or something similar) are exactly that kind of person: believing that LLMs are insanely great and can't admit (or see) the cons.

Long bet: the NTSB will require all transportation software to be submitted for independent review, and that review process will be heavily automated by AI, within 5 years. Take it?

  • If we assume the current administration (and the following one) continues to be bullish on AI, then this is a suckers bet. Assuming the next administration isn't too busy cleaning up the messes of the current one.