Why? The timing was precise, the motion was precise, his facial features were grimaced with intense determination. I cannot fathom calling it anything else, and I see denying it as a kind of shibboleth for "we know but we are pretending it wasn't, wink wink nudge nudge".
Either it was deliberate, or the richest man on earth is so incompetent that he accidentally made a motion exactly mimicking a seig heil while welcoming a self-proclaimed king and dictator. Twice - once towards the audience, and once towards the flag of the united states. Neither option is good.
You can find pictures of AOC and Mamdani doing the exact same gesture. It’s obviously a common gesture when emoting to crowds. But you just want to believe the narrative. If you’re worried about Nazis, take a look at all the pro-Hamas people.
It never cease to amaze me that the usual response (and Musk's defense itself) is that you can find a picture with some other figure with the same gesture.
Who cares about the pictures? There is a whole video where you can see that he does historically accurate nazi salute then turn back and do it again. Stop talking about pictures, always show video of what happened.
Find me a video of someone else doing the same and tell me it's the same. You won't, because what you see in video is much more obvious that what you see on pictures.
People are dump to only show still photo of Musk with this salute. Everyone know you can take picture out of context, when you watch full video it's much harder to do so.
Must was clearly showing it intentionally. Maybe because he's a troll (I wouldn't be surprised), maybe because of other reasons (I hope not...).
I've seen the claimed pictures in context with their videos, they are distinctly different gestures in timing and emphasis - normal waves, without the sharp hand to chest -> locked elbow with hand outstretched motion. Again, the seig heil is a particular gesture with a particular emphasis and timing which Musk imitated precisely, twice in quick succession. Those other photos are decontextualized from gestures which were clearly different motions entirely.
You're spouting easily refuted nonsense, and then immediately making ad hominem attacks because your points are extremely weak and not backed up by the evidence you vaguely cite.
You're also getting ratioed because people here are not idiotic ideologues. Please do better.
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I'll also leave you with a nice quote from Sartre which was directed at the fascists of the time - we've seen this shit before, we know what you're doing:
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Why? The timing was precise, the motion was precise, his facial features were grimaced with intense determination. I cannot fathom calling it anything else, and I see denying it as a kind of shibboleth for "we know but we are pretending it wasn't, wink wink nudge nudge".
Either it was deliberate, or the richest man on earth is so incompetent that he accidentally made a motion exactly mimicking a seig heil while welcoming a self-proclaimed king and dictator. Twice - once towards the audience, and once towards the flag of the united states. Neither option is good.
What was it?
You can find pictures of AOC and Mamdani doing the exact same gesture. It’s obviously a common gesture when emoting to crowds. But you just want to believe the narrative. If you’re worried about Nazis, take a look at all the pro-Hamas people.
It never cease to amaze me that the usual response (and Musk's defense itself) is that you can find a picture with some other figure with the same gesture.
Who cares about the pictures? There is a whole video where you can see that he does historically accurate nazi salute then turn back and do it again. Stop talking about pictures, always show video of what happened.
Find me a video of someone else doing the same and tell me it's the same. You won't, because what you see in video is much more obvious that what you see on pictures.
People are dump to only show still photo of Musk with this salute. Everyone know you can take picture out of context, when you watch full video it's much harder to do so.
Must was clearly showing it intentionally. Maybe because he's a troll (I wouldn't be surprised), maybe because of other reasons (I hope not...).
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I've seen the claimed pictures in context with their videos, they are distinctly different gestures in timing and emphasis - normal waves, without the sharp hand to chest -> locked elbow with hand outstretched motion. Again, the seig heil is a particular gesture with a particular emphasis and timing which Musk imitated precisely, twice in quick succession. Those other photos are decontextualized from gestures which were clearly different motions entirely.
You're spouting easily refuted nonsense, and then immediately making ad hominem attacks because your points are extremely weak and not backed up by the evidence you vaguely cite.
You're also getting ratioed because people here are not idiotic ideologues. Please do better.
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I'll also leave you with a nice quote from Sartre which was directed at the fascists of the time - we've seen this shit before, we know what you're doing:
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
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explain to me what it was, if not a seig heil.
did he just cough and his arm did that, twice?
does he have some form of muscle spasming thing im not aware of?