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Comment by kachnuv_ocasek

6 hours ago

It's as much "human nature" as being a slave was once the nature of some (chosen) peoples.

Conflict between humans is much much more nature than slavery was. Just look at animals. Flock animals often have conflicts which others. But none of them have ”slaves” (at least no how humans understand it)

  • There is a different between a conflict and a war. Humans are uniquely violent and cruel to each other, there is nothing even close in the animal world

    • You should learn about chimpanzee wars and how dolphins treat tortoises, and about the enslaving ants

Being a slave isn't human nature, but wanting to be a slave owner is. "Human nature" is, more often than not, a shorthand for "the parts of game theory that evolution distilled into humans"

  • In game theory, cooperation is a dominant strategy and evolves consistently. Slave owners and other injustice committing humans often invoke "human nature" out of trying to cope with their knowledge that it is wrong but whatever trauma or other thing makes them do it anyway, to absolve themselves of agency.

    (To be clear, not targeting you personally here, but targeting the rhetoric and fallacy)

    • Cooperation is an unstable strategy. If everyone else is cooperating and not punishing defectors much, defecting is vastly better for you.

      If everyone else is defecting and you can cooperate with a few people, that's slightly better for you. Hence we have high-trust and low-trust societies, gatekeeping, etc.