Comment by svdr
2 days ago
Wow. This model is so good, and we have GLM 5.3 (seems great voor security related work) and Deepseek. In a few months we'll have Fable/Sol-like capabilities that are not coming from the big US companies. I feel as a programmer that that is more than enough. How wil OpenAI and Anthropic survive when frontier model intelligence becomes commoditized?
I stopped using Fable and Opus 5 because I literally can't understand the output. The waffle is so intense it no longer makes sense. I don't understand who is using those to get real work done.
I'm using kimi-k3 on a real high level dev & analysis task at the moment (with Gemini flash for fast implementation) and it is fantastic.
I think we have passed the point where frontier intelligence is commoditized.
Using it to get real work done:
* https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/pull/7047
* https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/pull/7070
just need to give it clear direction, guide it about how to properly use hooks / preserve decomp code, rewrite all the comments, go back & redo things when it spits out some ugly hack, ...
but this does save time, especially considering this is working with decomp code where many functions are random hex addresses
just curious; which fable/opus versions are you using?
Fable-1m-max-thinking output, despite being incredibly slow and expensive, feels like it bucked a trend towards superficial loquaciousness in their models that had been building since 4.6.
I'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to upgrading models, fable was the first one to make me give up Opus 4.6-1M-max.
I'm just using the defaults, through Claude.ai on the web.
Curious what level of thinking you have been using as well. Found that lowering it actually gets me better results.
I'm just using the defaults.
They’ll certainly try to stymie people by colluding with manufacturers until we get nvidia level hardware or LLM ASICs from the East.
The demand curve for speed and intelligence seems pretty steep to me.
If you look at the hiring marketplace, being just marginally better than your peers can be very lucrative.
If you’re competing on speed or capability as a company (or as an employee), you’re probably going to be willing to pay for the frontier.
> If you look at the hiring marketplace, being just marginally better than your peers can be very lucrative.
I would say that in software this is completely false.
Someone straight out of college, not very useful, makes 75-100K.
Top level senior outside of FAANG is making twice that at best (and at least 10x more capable).
You told on yourself about being either European or from a flyover state.
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Most companies have a limited budget.
Good enough with a lower price will win the masses