Comment by lukeify
1 day ago
> This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand
This is a topic concerning El Niño. You acknowledge that the downstream consequences of El Niño effects is amplified heatwaves, presumably. Heatwaves already kill people in many continents globally. It stands to reason _strong_ heatwaves will probably raise mortality further; which is _directly related_ to my original comment.
I don't engage with people who aren't willing to be honest with what the data supports.
> I don't engage with people who aren't willing to be honest with what the data supports.
OK, whatever. But what was I dishonest about? Cite the figures. Should be pretty easy.
...oh, and by the way:
> You acknowledge that the downstream consequences of El Niño effects is amplified heatwaves, presumably.
In some places, sure. In others (i.e. the western pacific), it leads to regional cooling.
Let's at least get our facts straight.
You’re angering the doom and gloom crowd. To them, anything that isn’t a fully hysterical and confident assertion that we’re doomed to extinction, is basically a denial of climate change. There’s no nuance, curiosity, or data to be found, just people trying to shout you down. It’s been like this for decades.
Ironically, these people probably do as much harm to the efforts to curb climate change as anyone. When you spend decades making breathless claims of imminent doom, and then it doesn’t happen, people rightfully stop listening to you.
Climate change is real, very serious, and we should absolutely take (more) action. But the worst case scenario here is so far from what these people confidently claim that it’s very hard to take them seriously.
Yeah, I know. I didn't expect these to be popular comments. There's a hardcore contingent of people who have an absolutely unshakeable conviction of apocalypse that borders on religious faith, coupled with next to zero understanding of the actual data. To these types, simply telling them what the IPCC reports say, verbatim (what I've done here), is tantamount to heresy.
It does bug me a little that their knee-jerk response is always insults and censorship (of course my comment was flagged...no wrongthink allowed here, even if it does come from the IPCC!) but every time they do that, it shows normal thinkers that there's a reasonable center ground, and the doom-and-gloom crowd isn't even remotely being rational.
...but then again, that's probably why their first impulse is censorship.