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Comment by lotsofpulp

17 hours ago

So? It’s still multiples more than other places.

So, what exactly does "getting one's shit together" mean, if not a reduction in per-capita usage over time?

  • A nationwide fossil fuel tax high enough that would have brought carbon emissions down to at least Europe quality of life levels.

    But we all know the voting majority wants to consume. It doesn’t take decades to come down to still being 2x or more than other developed countries.

So it's a good thing ya doink

  • In response to fHr's comment of

    >If only China and US could get their shit together....

    If people in the US are still consuming multiples more than people in other societies, then a decrease of 36% means the US still does not have their shit together. Presumably, zahlman's response of pointing out the 36% decrease was a refutation of fHr's claim for China and US to get their shit together.

    Although, also funny is that the US's 36% decline is partly (significantly?) due to exporting CO2 emissions from manufacturing to China, but that applies to the rest of the world too.

    • > decline is partly (significantly?) due to exporting CO2 emissions from manufacturing to China

      They didn't have to agree to it, you know. But you can look at consumption-based carbon accounting and still get a picture that the US is, indeed, getting its shit together.