Comment by MrBuddyCasino
1 day ago
Yeah I was thinking about giving Luna a go with my PDF data extraction, but I think I‘ll stay on Gemini. It does a very good job.
1 day ago
Yeah I was thinking about giving Luna a go with my PDF data extraction, but I think I‘ll stay on Gemini. It does a very good job.
Gemini is still my top choice within production software for typical data extraction from unstructured data. Gemini Flash Lite feels like a cheat code for speed, and it's really cheap.
Some other Chinese models are also fast and cheap, but a harder sell in a U.S. production environment.
Speaking from experience here, flash lite models have amazing price, speed, and perform far above their size, but are susceptible to very bad instruction following and recall when either complexity or context size inch up. They’ll just forget to apply your instructions to portions of the input, and repeat parts of the input that should be returned verbatim as direct quotes but with subtle changes (breaking urls, for example).
Yes you have to continuously tune the prompts ever so subtly. 3.5 is a lot better than than 3.1 tho.
Important to remember that json schema instructions take precedence over the normal prompt, so move as much into property descriptions as possible.
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Yeah Gemini 3.5 Flash Lite is really good. Which Chinese models can you recommend?
Hi, I’m the author of this blog. It depends on how strong of a model you need, but in general, Qwen is easily the best among the Chinese models right now.
Over the last two weeks, Qwen released two new models. Qwen3.8-Max is totally insane, but it’s only available through the Alibaba Cloud API. I wrote a similar blog covering Qwen3.8-Max: [https://blog.roboflow.com/qwen3-8-max/](https://blog.roboflow.com/qwen3-8-max/)
If you’re looking for something you can run locally, Qwen3.8-27B might be a great option. On Friday, I did a quick comparison between Qwen3.8-Max and Qwen3.8-27B: [https://x.com/skalskip92/status/2088411215441621469?s=20](https://x.com/skalskip92/status/2088411215441621469?s=20)
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I've been using Qwen3.5-9B, hosted locally for PDF data extraction and it performs pretty well when extracting data from tables and infographics
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Gemini is honestly an excellent LLM with many capability strengths.
For example, 3.7 Flash is #1 on MMLU Pro and AA’s agentic spreadsheets/docs benchmark, etc. Yes, beating Fable.
Agentic coding is only one dimension.
Anecdotally, Gemini Flash is the leader for a particular use case of mine and has been since at least version 2.5. But now there's also Luna as the first real competitor thanks to the price cut.
My worry is that this is a zero-sum game and when Gemini catches up on coding, it'll regress to the mean in other areas.