I don't have any reasonable thing to add here, other than it really sucks going through forums and seeing people who go out of their way to put people down. Someone is posting about happily making contribution and getting things working on a device, literally the thing you are angry about not happening; someone is tinkering and getting stuff working and showing their tinkering, and the time is spent to put some nasty put-down so you can try and coerce them out of even trying, or make someone else feel bad if they'd use LLMs in their approach.
Genuinely, I am going to log off Hacker News and not come back here. Or any social media to be honest. The lot of social media is just doing nothing but raising my blood pressure, making me miserable, and making me more afraid to actually go talk about things with people in real life. And it sucks and I ought to know better at this point.
If someone ever sees me use this site again, and scrolls my profile, this is permission to bully me off of using this website :).
I said "Using LLMs makes a unmaintainable climate-destroying bug ridden slopfest."
Does an LLM make unmaintainable code? Generally, yes. Its tremendously verbose, with structures strange for humans.
Climate destroying? Depends on the LLM, but if its a US corporate based one, then yes. Just go look at the methane burners and diesel burners needed before power grid hookups years later. Climate devastation for sure.
A few datacenters breaking the law isn't the same as climate destroying, and "if its a US corporate based one"? They specifically said it wasn't.
Whether it's unmaintainable depends on how big it gets. That patch is 200 lines of comprehensible code, it passes. Plus what are we comparing against for maintainability and bugs? Novice code? No code at all? Treat it as a prototype for a valuable feature instead of implying it's worse than useless.
You have valid points. But context matters. Today with a 1100$ 32GB AMD GPU someone can run Qwen 3.6 as a model without problem. On the same machine they’re using, or a small server. Almost zero increase to the destruction of the environment. If their house has solar.. even better!
But the slopfest and verbose code is where you’re missing the bigger picture. Model written code can be understood by other models. That means future models could improve that code even more in the future.
But the biggest thing you’re missing? If that code compiles, works, and is secure? The value to people between now and a new model making it better is something gained, not lost.
Progress doesn’t happen over night. But just because it doesn’t, doesn’t mean we stop the presses and write all the books manually because we don’t have the internet yet. It means we work with what we have, derive value from it, to use that value to invest into the future.
Are you somehow against Linux phones? Or do you think your negativity will help make people want to work harder somehow? This is not a place for you to vent.
I don't have any reasonable thing to add here, other than it really sucks going through forums and seeing people who go out of their way to put people down. Someone is posting about happily making contribution and getting things working on a device, literally the thing you are angry about not happening; someone is tinkering and getting stuff working and showing their tinkering, and the time is spent to put some nasty put-down so you can try and coerce them out of even trying, or make someone else feel bad if they'd use LLMs in their approach.
Genuinely, I am going to log off Hacker News and not come back here. Or any social media to be honest. The lot of social media is just doing nothing but raising my blood pressure, making me miserable, and making me more afraid to actually go talk about things with people in real life. And it sucks and I ought to know better at this point.
If someone ever sees me use this site again, and scrolls my profile, this is permission to bully me off of using this website :).
I didnt say "pimeys sucks".
I said "Using LLMs makes a unmaintainable climate-destroying bug ridden slopfest."
Does an LLM make unmaintainable code? Generally, yes. Its tremendously verbose, with structures strange for humans.
Climate destroying? Depends on the LLM, but if its a US corporate based one, then yes. Just go look at the methane burners and diesel burners needed before power grid hookups years later. Climate devastation for sure.
Bug ridden? #7 on HN is "AI-Generated GitHub Copilot “Autofix” Allowed Compromise of Snowflake's Jira" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49331423
All of that defends the slur 'slopfest', which is well deserved.
A few datacenters breaking the law isn't the same as climate destroying, and "if its a US corporate based one"? They specifically said it wasn't.
Whether it's unmaintainable depends on how big it gets. That patch is 200 lines of comprehensible code, it passes. Plus what are we comparing against for maintainability and bugs? Novice code? No code at all? Treat it as a prototype for a valuable feature instead of implying it's worse than useless.
You have valid points. But context matters. Today with a 1100$ 32GB AMD GPU someone can run Qwen 3.6 as a model without problem. On the same machine they’re using, or a small server. Almost zero increase to the destruction of the environment. If their house has solar.. even better!
But the slopfest and verbose code is where you’re missing the bigger picture. Model written code can be understood by other models. That means future models could improve that code even more in the future.
But the biggest thing you’re missing? If that code compiles, works, and is secure? The value to people between now and a new model making it better is something gained, not lost.
Progress doesn’t happen over night. But just because it doesn’t, doesn’t mean we stop the presses and write all the books manually because we don’t have the internet yet. It means we work with what we have, derive value from it, to use that value to invest into the future.
Are you somehow against Linux phones? Or do you think your negativity will help make people want to work harder somehow? This is not a place for you to vent.
> I didnt say "pimeys sucks".
I heard "nekusar sucks".