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Comment by xyzelement

15 days ago

Credit cards and cash have their place but the story being told doesn't track with experience.

First, businesses are increasingly differentiating pricing between cash and credit card - this is most obvious in gas stations where the price you see on the big sign is the cash price and not what you practically end up paying. Or the various restaurants and other businesses that offer cash discounts. While this is relatively new, the earlier manifestation of this is the credit card fee - eg try paying your tuition or utilities using a CC and you'll immediately find this option costs more.

Interestingly all the above usually hover around 3% so it's tellingly the rate the merchants themselves perceived CC use and infrastructure cost them.

Second, credit cards are clearly good for business volume. Most people have had the experience of wanting to buy something unplanned and not having the cash on them, but buying it anyway via credit card. On a larger scale, hard to imagine on-line shopping without a credit card.

Third, I don't find cash-only businesses cheaper. In my town there's a cash-only barber, pizza place, and ice cream shop and they cost just as much as the credit card taking ones. In every case the dynamic is there are long running businesses with sufficient clientele that they never bothered, but they don't use absence off CC fees/infrastructure to generate a consumer savings.

Fourth, poor people can play the point game too. As a broke college student I was very fond of my Exxon Mobil card that gave me cheaper gas. Now I don't really care about an extra ten cents on a gallon as much.

“Most people have had the experience of wanting to buy something unplanned and not having the cash on them, but buying it anyway via credit card.”

I believe you, but this experience is totally alien to me and I don’t know of anybody who has done this. I wonder if it’s a generational thing.

  • I was confused by this (because I rarely carry cash) until I saw your response below. I think OP might be using credit/debit card interchangeably? I don't use my credit cards unless I have to, but my debit card is used daily.

    • Are you in the U.S.? As an American I use a credit card for nearly 100% of my purchases, on a daily basis. I pay my bill in full each month. I might pay a 2–3% surcharge on a subset of those purchases, but I am reasonably sure I get more than that back in rebates. My Amex offers 2% back on groceries and the grocery store doesn’t charge extra for credit card purchases.

      I basically never use my debit card for anything but ATM transactions, and the only time I have any cash in my wallet is when I have recently gone to a cash-only bar or to Las Vegas.

    • I default to credit/charge cards over debit cards because, in my country, debit cards offer far less consumer protection than credit cards.

  • Literally between posting the above and now, I went to a rural bike ride with my family. Didn't bother to bring cash. Ended up riding past an antique shop and bought my son an old school tractor toy via Google Wallet.

  • I am almost 50 years old and I struggle to imagine anyone younger than I am being any more familiar with what cash is than with what a landline is

  • how much cash do you walk around with?

    • I just use debit cards and Venmo for everything. I’ve never understood why I’d use a credit card when I can just use the debit card and pay no fee. I’ll never afford a house anyways so the credit score argument is meaningless to me.

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