Comment by swed420
1 day ago
> This is about consumer products, not government policy.
You speak as if these things are unrelated.
> Buy an alternative, you have those choices.
Increasingly, we don't:
"Modern Capitalism Is Weirder Than You Think: It also no longer works as advertised"
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/03/how-asset-managers-h... (https://archive.is/wSmtd)
> You speak as if these things are unrelated.
State the connection, because it seems like your next argument is going to be "the government didn't stop them", as though that's their job.
> Increasingly, we don't:
Think of a single enshittified product that matters to you for which there is no alternative but to use it.
This also all pales in contrast to the conveniences and improvements afforded over time. You can now access and stream basically any music you want for free, for example. Television sets are now commodities, which tend to be cheaper adjusted for inflation. Etc etc. So the rhetoric about enshittification doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
> State the connection, because it seems like your next argument is going to be "the government didn't stop them", as though that's their job.
It's not their job to break up monopolies and ever-shifting financial abstractions a few steps ahead of the law that enable monopolistic behavior?
> Think of a single enshittified product that matters to you for which there is no alternative but to use it.
* Mobile devices and their respective walled gardens if you expect to do something as simple as access your own bank account or reliably receive text messages
* Social media which only really works when lots of people are on any given platform
* Food that is safe, nutritious, and sustainable
> Television sets are now commodities, which tend to be cheaper adjusted for inflation.
Oh neat, they didn't enshitify the legacy propaganda client devices yet. How nice of them, and quite the measure of progress.
> It's not their job to break up monopolies and ever-shifting financial abstractions a few steps ahead of the law that enable monopolistic behavior?
It's not their job to prevent companies from selling products that are a bit shittier in some fashion. Buy from a competitor.
I know you must not be confusing enshittification and monopoly, so why the attempted switch? At any rate, we're not dealing with monopolies, but competition can be reinforced through policy and anti-trust is still being wielded, more recently against Google.
> Mobile devices and their respective walled gardens if you expect to do something as simple as access your own bank account or reliably receive text messages
This is a EU phenomenon, and it's a product of EU-wide payment-security regulation, in particular PSD2's Strong Customer Authentication (SCA) rules. Banks found apps cheaper than SMS and card readers, and registered phones offer a layer of fraud protection. There are other incentives.
You're lumping this as "enshittified" but given what this does, average people would not agree. People who dislike this move are more privacy obsessed, or techies who dislike the app ecosystem. Ultimately if consumers en-masse cared enough about this to push a grassroots effort through, it would change, but they do not.
> Social media which only really works when lots of people are on any given platform
vbulletin forums and online communities have been around long before the popular iterants today. HN itself is an online community. It can work whether there are more or fewer.
People tend to tolerate more for high-traffic sites, but not infinitely so. Digg died many years ago, and now reddit's numbers are plummeting. FB's traffic is just old people.
> Food that is safe, nutritious, and sustainable
Lmao we've never had it better for food, in terms of choice and access. Pesticides are also safer than ever.
Notwithstanding staples and cheap healthy foods like legumes, there are novel products on the shelves all the time, including "sustainable" offerings. For instance consumers have enthusiastically adopted "milk alternatives" despite not reporting themselves to be vegetarian.
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