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Comment by resoluteteeth

2 days ago

The ADL has a whole page[1] listing examples of her supposed antisemitism but it basically seems to just be examples of her criticising Israel. I guess the ADL considers that to be the same thing but it is pretty unpersuasive unless you think every criticism of Israel is automatically antisemitism.

1: https://www.adl.org/resources/article/francesca-albanese-her...

> The ADL has a whole page[1] listing examples of her supposed antisemitism but it basically seems to just be examples of her criticising Israel.

By my reading of just a few of the quotes I'd say she's going well beyond just criticizing Israel. The quotes suggest she believes well known antisemitic conspiracy theories.[0]

> I guess the ADL considers that to be the same thing but it is pretty unpersuasive unless you think every criticism of Israel is automatically antisemitism.

Criticism of Israel in and of itself isn't antisemitism, although often criticism of Israel has rather strong antisemitic undertones.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of...

  • > By my reading of just a few of the quotes I'd say she's going well beyond just criticizing Israel. The quotes suggest she believes well known antisemitic conspiracy theories.[0]

    I'm assuming you're mainly referring to this accusation by the ADL:

    "Albanese claims that Jews “have learnt [sic] that to survive in this world they need to be superior,” invoking the classic antisemitic conspiracy trope of Jewish power and drive for world domination."

    Well, except that isn't what she said. The original quote was (still not the full post):

    "And so they [Germans] have accepted the Jews, but not all of them. Especially those who have learnt that to survive in this world they need to be superior. No longer a fragile minority. No longer diasporic people. No longer the People of the Book. But the Chosen People. ‘Chosen to dominate?’ One may wonder looking at what Israel has become. But Israel does not represent all the Jews."

    So she was talking about Israeli Jews, not Jews in general. That's the whole point of her post. It's ironic that in fact the ADL is being antisemitic here by equating Judaism with Israel.

    • > "And so they [Germans] have accepted the Jews, but not all of them. Especially those who have learnt that to survive in this world they need to be superior. No longer a fragile minority. No longer diasporic people. No longer the People of the Book. But the Chosen People. ‘Chosen to dominate?’ One may wonder looking at what Israel has become. But Israel does not represent all the Jews."

      This quote matches up reasonably well with the antisemitic world domination conspiracy theory.

      > So she was talking about Israeli Jews, not Jews in general.

      That doesn't make it much better, so you agree she's clearly targeting Israeli's at least in part due to them being Jewish?

      > That's the whole point of her post. It's ironic that in fact the ADL is being antisemitic here by equating Judaism with Israel.

      These antisemitic conspiracy theories predate Israel being a country. Swapping out Jews for Israeli Jews or Jews that support the existence of Israel in statements doesn't negate the statement being fundamentally rooted in an antisemitic conspiracy theory.

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    • The trick of pretending to be only anti-Zionist is old as the Polish ethnic cleansing of all its leftover Jews in the 1960s.

      The equivalent would be the UN designating as special rapporteur for American racial issues someone who has said they have nothing against Africans, only against African Americans.

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