You might want to read up on Karl Popper and the Paradox of Tolerance [1] as well as on some German history.
Don't give a single inch to fascists or you will get destroyed. Hell, just look at the sorry state of the current GOP after it let the Tea Party looners in. These guys and the "birthers" paved the ground for MAGA to enter the scene, and nowadays what used to be the "moderate" Republicans is all but gone. The new "moderate" are considered to be people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, just because they have broken with Trump.
If you want safety and prosperity, why vote in a convicted felon who pardoned thousands of insurrectionists who went on to reoffend and end up back in jail for violent offenses and crimes against children? Why vote for a moronic tariff plan that literally anyone could tell you would hurt the economy? Why vote for corruption and racial violence and sexual abuse? Why vote for a rapist who was best buds with Epstein?
Can you give some examples of the woke/marxist crap?
Trump ran as a republican because he thought it would be easier to sway republicans to vote for him because they're sheeple, and he's on camera saying that and everyone just memory-holed it.
If MAGA wants lower crime, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants commit crime at lower rates than citizens. [1]
If MAGA is pro-economy, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants are more entrepreneurial than US-born citizens. [2] [3]. Why the tariffs? Tariffs are a tax on American consumers.
The line of reasoning you present is just completely wrong. Is it because MAGA are wrong/ignorant? Or because MAGA are racist and fascists?
EDIT, sadly the reply is flagged, so I will post my response to it below:
>Don't conflate immigrants with illegal immigrants first off.
The analyses I presented don't make a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants; the facts they state still stand.
>Second, we KNOW a lot of those people they're picking up committed crimes. Murder, rape, etc. They all have charges and are queued for deportation.
And if your concern is about crime, you would want the law enforcement resources that are being used to pick up immigrants to be used to pick up US-born citizens, because US born citizens are more criminal.
>Illegal immigrants are a strain on the healthcare system, education system, policing, social services. It's a simple fact that every country knows.
Wrong again. Immigrants use less of all of those social resources, except public school. Public schools are strained because us-born students are more likely to attend private schools, and public schools are generally funded on a student headcount basis. [4] [5] [6] [7]
>And Tariffs are a consumption tax on if they buy those foreign products. I'll take a trade war if it means getting drug prices and many other trade inequalities down (which he did). Turns out our allies are bigger assholes than our adversaries.
Typically, as reported, there aren't many American substitutes for the foreign-produced goods that have been taxed on tariffs. Just to use a very recent example, American cars now have their canadian auto parts slapped with a 50% tariff. Am I supposed to source my own american parts and then build my own car? What the hell is wrong with you?
>But nah, Democrats must be right about everything. It's impossible to be wrong. Republicans are evil and ignorant is what you probably hear.
Living in a red state, and having many MAGA family members, I am sympathetic to listening to the arguments made by MAGA. However, their claims fall apart when you start looking at facts and data, as I believe I have amply demonstrated through our back-and-forth.
Only intolerant opinions like white-supremacy, and they're a lot less violent then the right.
> intolerant of some opinions
You might want to read up on Karl Popper and the Paradox of Tolerance [1] as well as on some German history.
Don't give a single inch to fascists or you will get destroyed. Hell, just look at the sorry state of the current GOP after it let the Tea Party looners in. These guys and the "birthers" paved the ground for MAGA to enter the scene, and nowadays what used to be the "moderate" Republicans is all but gone. The new "moderate" are considered to be people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, just because they have broken with Trump.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
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If you want safety and prosperity, why vote in a convicted felon who pardoned thousands of insurrectionists who went on to reoffend and end up back in jail for violent offenses and crimes against children? Why vote for a moronic tariff plan that literally anyone could tell you would hurt the economy? Why vote for corruption and racial violence and sexual abuse? Why vote for a rapist who was best buds with Epstein?
Can you give some examples of the woke/marxist crap?
Trump ran as a republican because he thought it would be easier to sway republicans to vote for him because they're sheeple, and he's on camera saying that and everyone just memory-holed it.
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If MAGA wants lower crime, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants commit crime at lower rates than citizens. [1]
If MAGA is pro-economy, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants are more entrepreneurial than US-born citizens. [2] [3]. Why the tariffs? Tariffs are a tax on American consumers.
The line of reasoning you present is just completely wrong. Is it because MAGA are wrong/ignorant? Or because MAGA are racist and fascists?
[1] https://www.aeaweb.org/research/chart/incarceration-immigran...
[2] https://news.mit.edu/2022/study-immigrants-more-likely-start...
[3] https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/fortune-50...
EDIT, sadly the reply is flagged, so I will post my response to it below:
>Don't conflate immigrants with illegal immigrants first off.
The analyses I presented don't make a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants; the facts they state still stand.
>Second, we KNOW a lot of those people they're picking up committed crimes. Murder, rape, etc. They all have charges and are queued for deportation.
And if your concern is about crime, you would want the law enforcement resources that are being used to pick up immigrants to be used to pick up US-born citizens, because US born citizens are more criminal.
>Illegal immigrants are a strain on the healthcare system, education system, policing, social services. It's a simple fact that every country knows.
Wrong again. Immigrants use less of all of those social resources, except public school. Public schools are strained because us-born students are more likely to attend private schools, and public schools are generally funded on a student headcount basis. [4] [5] [6] [7]
>And Tariffs are a consumption tax on if they buy those foreign products. I'll take a trade war if it means getting drug prices and many other trade inequalities down (which he did). Turns out our allies are bigger assholes than our adversaries.
Typically, as reported, there aren't many American substitutes for the foreign-produced goods that have been taxed on tariffs. Just to use a very recent example, American cars now have their canadian auto parts slapped with a 50% tariff. Am I supposed to source my own american parts and then build my own car? What the hell is wrong with you?
>But nah, Democrats must be right about everything. It's impossible to be wrong. Republicans are evil and ignorant is what you probably hear.
Living in a red state, and having many MAGA family members, I am sympathetic to listening to the arguments made by MAGA. However, their claims fall apart when you start looking at facts and data, as I believe I have amply demonstrated through our back-and-forth.
[4] https://www.cato.org/briefing-paper/immigrant-native-consump...
[5] https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/key-fact...
[6] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117
[7] https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/potentia...
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