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Comment by bsian

2 days ago

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"ZOG" claims way too much, is inactionable, and ultimately just feeds the reactionary dumpster fire that has created our current predicament. "Please don't release the real Epstein files Mr Bibi Sir" suffices.

  • Right? It's really concerning how much traction "ZOG" seems to be getting.

    It's literally true that most of the US government is Zionist. But "Zionist-Occupied Government" is an antisemitic conspiracy theory used by white supremacists with specific and incorrect beliefs about how Zionism works in the US and how it formed into what we're all facing today.

    At least flat-earthers get a useful locally-true approximation of the shape of the Earth from their conspiracy theory.

    • It's fucking heads they win, tails we lose. The only way we can win is to walk a narrow line, and in the presence of populism that is seemingly impossible. How much support for Grump was because "Biden supports genocide" ? Of course it's hard to tell how much was genuine grassroots vs dead Internet, but surely there were some voters that fell for it. Congratulations, you played yourself.

> Trump is completely torching his term for Israel.

That is utter bullshit and you know it.

The US government has always been deathly afraid of anything left of what would be "conservative social democrats" in Europe - remember McCarthyism? The US certainly does not need Israel to tell it to hunt down leftists.

> Then you'll get your comments removed from this website if you mention the term "ZOG".

Because it's a ridiculous antisemitic conspiracy myth.

  • The link makes it clear (at least to me) that they are looking for Palestine supporters and not leftists in general.

  • > Because it's a ridiculous antisemitic conspiracy myth.

    This perceived overlap of antisemitism and anti-zionism has been shown many times to be a false equivalence. It does nobody any good to conflate Zionism which is a very real fascist Israeli supremacy movement, with Semitism which refers to Jewishness regardless of culture or country.

    As with many Fascist movements it is very much in the interest of those who follow the a Supremacy movement to conflate opposition of their movement with persecution of their culture.

    • > It does nobody any good to conflate Zionism which is a very real fascist Israeli supremacy movement, with Semitism which refers to Jewishness regardless of culture or country.

      No. Zionism at its core is just the opinion that there needs to be a state of Israel, to serve as a "last safe haven" for all Jews in the world.

  • The disaster of the Iran war will be the legacy of Trump 2. A war that started because Netanyahu convinced Trump there was an imminent attack and fed us false intel on nuclear capabilities. That sounds like torching it to me.

    ZOG as a conspiracy is nuts but you can’t deny the influence AIPAC has on Congress. Zionists have a very powerful lobby. Then you have guys like Fetterman who are making Israel their core issue.