If you want safety and prosperity, why vote in a convicted felon who pardoned thousands of insurrectionists who went on to reoffend and end up back in jail for violent offenses and crimes against children? Why vote for a moronic tariff plan that literally anyone could tell you would hurt the economy? Why vote for corruption and racial violence and sexual abuse? Why vote for a rapist who was best buds with Epstein?
Can you give some examples of the woke/marxist crap?
Trump ran as a republican because he thought it would be easier to sway republicans to vote for him because they're sheeple, and he's on camera saying that and everyone just memory-holed it.
Don't bother. "woke/marxist crap" is an obvious tell that they're delusional from a Facebook feed or similar. They will have plenty of examples because it obviously does exist, but it's ultimately just a strawman without much sway over the larger Democratic party - especially in the current context of how Republicans have gone all-in for con artist in chief and are currently running the show. As a centrist libertarian who had never in my life voted for a major party in a national election until 2020, I'm holding my nose and voting conservative (ie democrat) for the foreseeable future.
If MAGA wants lower crime, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants commit crime at lower rates than citizens. [1]
If MAGA is pro-economy, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants are more entrepreneurial than US-born citizens. [2] [3]. Why the tariffs? Tariffs are a tax on American consumers.
The line of reasoning you present is just completely wrong. Is it because MAGA are wrong/ignorant? Or because MAGA are racist and fascists?
EDIT, sadly the reply is flagged, so I will post my response to it below:
>Don't conflate immigrants with illegal immigrants first off.
The analyses I presented don't make a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants; the facts they state still stand.
>Second, we KNOW a lot of those people they're picking up committed crimes. Murder, rape, etc. They all have charges and are queued for deportation.
And if your concern is about crime, you would want the law enforcement resources that are being used to pick up immigrants to be used to pick up US-born citizens, because US born citizens are more criminal.
>Illegal immigrants are a strain on the healthcare system, education system, policing, social services. It's a simple fact that every country knows.
Wrong again. Immigrants use less of all of those social resources, except public school. Public schools are strained because us-born students are more likely to attend private schools, and public schools are generally funded on a student headcount basis. [4] [5] [6] [7]
>And Tariffs are a consumption tax on if they buy those foreign products. I'll take a trade war if it means getting drug prices and many other trade inequalities down (which he did). Turns out our allies are bigger assholes than our adversaries.
Typically, as reported, there aren't many American substitutes for the foreign-produced goods that have been taxed on tariffs. Just to use a very recent example, American cars now have their canadian auto parts slapped with a 50% tariff. Am I supposed to source my own american parts and then build my own car? What the hell is wrong with you?
>But nah, Democrats must be right about everything. It's impossible to be wrong. Republicans are evil and ignorant is what you probably hear.
Living in a red state, and having many MAGA family members, I am sympathetic to listening to the arguments made by MAGA. However, their claims fall apart when you start looking at facts and data, as I believe I have amply demonstrated through our back-and-forth.
> Don't conflate immigrants with illegal immigrants first off.
When that entirely what MAGA is doing. I always wondered how they had these numbers for supposedly illegal immigrants and everytime I look into it the number conveniently lines up with the legal immigrants and legal asylum seekers.
Or that time Loomer said the alligators at Alligator Alcatraz were getting 65 million meals which is conveniently the Hispanic population in the US.
These people think that just because they don’t like these other people, those other people are here illegally, and then they claim they get no due process either.
Loomer doesn't speak for me, and no idea what you're talking about.
I have no problems with legal immigrants. I married into a first generation family of immigrants, and like everyone else my ancestors were immigrants to this country.
It does a disservice to conflate the two. Immigrants worked hard to be here, illegal immigrants are a drain on everyone, including legal immigrants.
If you want safety and prosperity, why vote in a convicted felon who pardoned thousands of insurrectionists who went on to reoffend and end up back in jail for violent offenses and crimes against children? Why vote for a moronic tariff plan that literally anyone could tell you would hurt the economy? Why vote for corruption and racial violence and sexual abuse? Why vote for a rapist who was best buds with Epstein?
Can you give some examples of the woke/marxist crap?
Trump ran as a republican because he thought it would be easier to sway republicans to vote for him because they're sheeple, and he's on camera saying that and everyone just memory-holed it.
Don't bother. "woke/marxist crap" is an obvious tell that they're delusional from a Facebook feed or similar. They will have plenty of examples because it obviously does exist, but it's ultimately just a strawman without much sway over the larger Democratic party - especially in the current context of how Republicans have gone all-in for con artist in chief and are currently running the show. As a centrist libertarian who had never in my life voted for a major party in a national election until 2020, I'm holding my nose and voting conservative (ie democrat) for the foreseeable future.
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If MAGA wants lower crime, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants commit crime at lower rates than citizens. [1]
If MAGA is pro-economy, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants are more entrepreneurial than US-born citizens. [2] [3]. Why the tariffs? Tariffs are a tax on American consumers.
The line of reasoning you present is just completely wrong. Is it because MAGA are wrong/ignorant? Or because MAGA are racist and fascists?
[1] https://www.aeaweb.org/research/chart/incarceration-immigran...
[2] https://news.mit.edu/2022/study-immigrants-more-likely-start...
[3] https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/fortune-50...
EDIT, sadly the reply is flagged, so I will post my response to it below:
>Don't conflate immigrants with illegal immigrants first off.
The analyses I presented don't make a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants; the facts they state still stand.
>Second, we KNOW a lot of those people they're picking up committed crimes. Murder, rape, etc. They all have charges and are queued for deportation.
And if your concern is about crime, you would want the law enforcement resources that are being used to pick up immigrants to be used to pick up US-born citizens, because US born citizens are more criminal.
>Illegal immigrants are a strain on the healthcare system, education system, policing, social services. It's a simple fact that every country knows.
Wrong again. Immigrants use less of all of those social resources, except public school. Public schools are strained because us-born students are more likely to attend private schools, and public schools are generally funded on a student headcount basis. [4] [5] [6] [7]
>And Tariffs are a consumption tax on if they buy those foreign products. I'll take a trade war if it means getting drug prices and many other trade inequalities down (which he did). Turns out our allies are bigger assholes than our adversaries.
Typically, as reported, there aren't many American substitutes for the foreign-produced goods that have been taxed on tariffs. Just to use a very recent example, American cars now have their canadian auto parts slapped with a 50% tariff. Am I supposed to source my own american parts and then build my own car? What the hell is wrong with you?
>But nah, Democrats must be right about everything. It's impossible to be wrong. Republicans are evil and ignorant is what you probably hear.
Living in a red state, and having many MAGA family members, I am sympathetic to listening to the arguments made by MAGA. However, their claims fall apart when you start looking at facts and data, as I believe I have amply demonstrated through our back-and-forth.
[4] https://www.cato.org/briefing-paper/immigrant-native-consump...
[5] https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/key-fact...
[6] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117
[7] https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/potentia...
I think it’s funny that he said
> Don't conflate immigrants with illegal immigrants first off.
When that entirely what MAGA is doing. I always wondered how they had these numbers for supposedly illegal immigrants and everytime I look into it the number conveniently lines up with the legal immigrants and legal asylum seekers.
Or that time Loomer said the alligators at Alligator Alcatraz were getting 65 million meals which is conveniently the Hispanic population in the US.
These people think that just because they don’t like these other people, those other people are here illegally, and then they claim they get no due process either.
Loomer doesn't speak for me, and no idea what you're talking about.
I have no problems with legal immigrants. I married into a first generation family of immigrants, and like everyone else my ancestors were immigrants to this country.
It does a disservice to conflate the two. Immigrants worked hard to be here, illegal immigrants are a drain on everyone, including legal immigrants.
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The government just shut down processing of legal immigration applications, so yes actually, Trump only wants illegal immigrants, no legal ones.
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