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Comment by mixmastamyk

11 hours ago

The big providers are losing on average tens of billions a year on these services, so yes prices must go up. Even Moore’s won’t help in the medium-term due to shortages and difficulty/reluctance to vastly increase capacity.

You can buy tokens on OpenRouter right now from companies who serve tokens as a business and who are not selling at a loss.

The frontier labs have very high prices for inference. The prices are actually going down, not up.

  • I thought the discussion was about "frontier labs" in the cloud versus open at home.

    Others running open models in the cloud is a nice third alternative, but not a solution for those that need frontier models, which I believe continue to need training as well as inference. These are currently heavily subsidized and hardware constrained several years out.

    • They said "equivalent level model". It's reasonable to assume that open source models in 12 months will be just as good as frontier models today.