Comment by Retric
5 days ago
Any sequence could be meaningful or meaningless depending on the grammar involved. Open a word document in photoshop and the program has no idea what it’s dealing with.
The reason the language term in LLM is meaningful is how the training, symbol mapping, etc is designed around human languages. The model doesn’t process raw text, instead there’s a critical processing step which allows the magic to happen.
Is the same processing step not happening here?
To my mind the argument against this model qualifying as a language model is that while the sequence of tokens may technically qualify as a sort of language it doesn't appear to be generalized by any reasonable interpretation. Further, the model doesn't appear to be able to handle unstructured inputs and outputs in the "language" - everything seems to be highly structured.
My line of reasoning could be approximately summarized as compiled binaries constituting a "real" (though not natural) language versus a sequential listing of chess positions that represent sequential game actions only being language "shaped".
Still, it's interesting to consider that if scaled up I expect the "repeat yourself" experiment would likely apply to the internal representation of the model in the same manner.
The distinction is meaningful because the process described here isn’t bound by the same constraints, resulting in meaningful consequences.
Suppose we flipped the initial stings and fed that into the process. There would still be meaning to extract from the training set but our new Reversed English but it is not English so the preprocessing step can’t be based on that assumption.
I don't understand what point you're trying to make here. At the risk of being tangential (due to not understanding) LLMs have famously been able to accept base64 encoded natural language as input "out of the box" because (it seems) under the hood they already transparently translate all inputs into their own internal "language" system on the fly. Presumably a similar translation could be learned for input of reverse english (or rather merely adjusting attention) although at a glance it seems like output might not be feasible.