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Comment by snovv_crash

4 hours ago

LVT can be deferred to the time of sale.

Unfortunately that doesn't really help. It has the effect of eroding the asset value such that it quickly means the owner can't sell.

In other words, if selling removes much of your capital, you then don't gave capital to spend on the next place.

Conversely investors become even more motivated not to ever sell. They can defer the LVT forever, and just use the property as collateral for loans (ie getting liquidity without selling.)

And LVT just becomes an expense built into the cost of rent. The investor never pays it anyway, the tenant ultimately pays it.

  • How will they use it as collateral if it has no value upon sale?

    Similarly, why would the next place be expensive if it couldn't be used as a speculative asset?

  • The tennant pays now anyway. Of a landlord could charge more rent they would.

    Two identical properties, one under mortgage and one that isn’t, have identical rental prices. The costs to the landlord are irrelevant.

    • I understand where you are coming from here. And there are multiple levers in play here.

      The cost of a mortgage underpins the rental value. If there are multiple units for rent then there will be a "going rate" and that's certainly a part of the equation. In that sense some landlords get more cream than others, but that's capitalism in action.

      There are however other costs that go into rental calculations. Perhaps the building has a supervisor, or rental agent. Perhaps utilities are included. There are typically property rates and taxes. There may be sectional title levies. That's before we talk about insurance, maintainence and so on. For a group of similar dwellings these costs will tend to be similar, and so the floor is set not just by the mortgage, but by including these costs as well.

      If a extra cost comes along, which affects all the properties together, then that will just become part of the rental-floor equation. And yes, it's possible for that to be higher than people will pay, but that tends not to be the driving factor. People have to live somewhere and ultimately will pay whatever keeps them off the streets.

      Of course people who own their own home will simply have an extra cost burden every year. There's no upside at all, and will result in more people not purchasing, but rather staying on the rental ladder. Indeed making purchase less attractive allows rents to get higher.

      This is the problem with all economics. There are butterfly effects all over the place so "simple solutions" tend to have lots of unwelcome consequences. Trying to solve problems with taxes seldom ends well.

Wealthy people would never sell their houses. Keep them in the family or rent them out.

Anyone who had to move for a job or wanted to downsize their house for retirement years would be screwed, though.