Comment by saghm
2 days ago
This is a sacrifice we just have to be willing to make as a society if we want to project kids from the horror of using the internet
2 days ago
This is a sacrifice we just have to be willing to make as a society if we want to project kids from the horror of using the internet
I think there's a number of people reading this who clearly didn't detect the satirical nature of this single sentence. It's blunt and obvious, but even so...
Yeah, I thought it was obvious enough, but then again, I also seem to get a lot of disagreement every time I directly express the opinion that ID verification for internet use is a terrible idea, so I have no confidence which side the downvotes came from (maybe both!)
The politicians really want to know who to prosecute if someone on the internet says bad things (about them).
This is precisely why the authority doing these checks needs to be the government that already issues the IDs.
Using ZKP as the EU proposes is the only way to prevent this data being leaked to unreliable third parties and leaves the knowledge with the institution it derives from in the first place.
I don't know why HN rails against it constantly, it is the obvious technical and organizational solution to this issue.
> I don't know why HN rails against it [ZKP for age verification] constantly
Because on its own as often presented, it still has the glaring shortcoming that anybody can proxy an ID verification for anybody else without any form of accountability for having done so. Which means that the only way for it to actually be secure is for the implementation to also required locked down computing devices. Hence why the EU scheme insists on proprietary Apple/Google devices, and why Google research has written nerd sniping blog posts to market it.
There, now you know!
> Because on its own as often presented, it still has the glaring shortcoming that anybody can proxy an ID verification for anybody else without any form of accountability for having done so.
As do physical IDs, as somebody who's bought his younger brother beers growing up.
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Government systems leak information all the time. The type of institution managing the data makes little difference. Its how the institution manages the data that matters.
But the government inherently has that data, as it comes from there. They're the ones issuing the IDs in the first place.
Theres no avoiding this, structurally. So the best thing you can do is not to introduce any additional points of failure.
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It is European which means that it is both anti-capitalist and communist and therefore must be spit upon.
I still don't understand why the simplest approach isn't used: ban kids from using the Internet unsupervised. There's really no good reason why a six year old should have internet access.
The argument is that there are parents who are too stupid/lazy to enable parental controls on kids devices and society has a duty to protect kids even if their parents are negligent. Also, kids interact with other kids, so even if you do everything right your kids wind up with access/peer pressure through the kids with bad parents.
I dunno if I agree but I think that's the thrust of it.
There are systems in place dealing with negligent parents. They could be better, but they exist. If kids were banned, there couldn't be that much peer pressure.
Think about it, how many kids will get a gun just because some of the kids have access to guns through their negligent parents? If it's banned the path to getting it won't be straightforward.
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I feel like if we can throw parents in jail for allowing their children to walk unsupervised, we can probably toss them in prison for giving them unrestricted access to the internet.
it's pretty easy to enforce that for 6 year olds. not as easy for 12 year olds.
I don't think I care as much for a twelve year old seeing age inappropriate things, as that is what I was seeking out and enjoying at that age. And that was before Internet was a thing people had in their homes. I was watching horror movies like Alien and Terminator uncut on VHS.
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All the kids will be safe now they're logging into porn sites as Pete Hegseth.
Only after they've had their mandatory scrotum inspection and testosterone check to join the military at age 18.
You guy don't have to show cock and balls to the military commission? It's a standard practice in post-Communist countries, including NATO ones.
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That was sarcasm.
Are you sure? It’s really hard to differentiate nowadays
I am the one who said it, and I am sure. You can go back through my comment history to find me getting into arguments many times against the idea of ID verification for internet use.
> Are you sure? It’s really hard to differentiate nowadays
Case in point; I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not! :D
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Except this helps no child.
Isn't that the one that was left behind in 2002?
After a couple decades maybe it's time we do something for them!