Comment by Topfi
16 hours ago
Yeah, probably (let's be honest, most certainly), right given the Admin. Avoiding commenting on my assumptions regarding the modus operandi in current day US politics because I only know it through reporting though and I really tend to dislike when people outside e.g. the EU comment on our politics in what is a very clearly narrow, uninformed manner. So it'd rather avoid altogether and occasionally ask, mainly if maybe I missed something and there actually is anything besides pure old "lobbying" to explain the difference in behaviour.
Still am mainly interested why Amazon ran to the government though regarding Fable 5, I can get the angle concerning the relationship between OpenAI and the administration easily, but not the way Amazon operated. They had more to loose what with their major buy-in by Anthropic on AWS.
If you have followed news reporting, you probably heard that SamA was touring D.C. to make sure this release went without any regulation hiccups. If anything, they learned how to play the whole politics game - especially after the Anthropic fiasco. And even though all parties involved are terrible choices, more eyes on a potentially civilisation altering product does make me feel minimally better.
More eyes or more bribes?
More like not ignoring the company owned by one of the president's biggest donors warning said president's administration about your model. Anthropic basically tried to close their eyes to make this go away. Which of course backfired spectacularly and led to one of the biggest release fuck-ups of all time. OpenAI saw that and simply decided to not do it that way. Any sane business would have done the same.
Well, somebody has to see that you bribed them, so yes?
And by "learned how to play the whole politics game", you mean "giving money to Donald Trump": https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/brockman-openai-top-trum...
Modern politicking is so easy.
I think you just have to be smart enough that when the administration calls up and says "amazon, the nsa, and half a dozen other companies say we have a problem" your response isn't "well, actually we don't."
As an American we tend to (especially lately) make our politics into everyone's problem so feel free to comment on our politics as much as you like until further notice.
So Europeans don't do this ? The EU is constantly trying to regulate US companies. Every time I click on a stupid cookie notice I fondly think of the EU .
> The EU is constantly trying to regulate US companies
US companies that operate in the EU market, handle EU citizens data. Obviously the EU regulations cover them. Do you think European companies don’t have to follow US regulations when offering their services in the US?
Every time I click a stupid cookie notice I wonder why the company serving it up chose to make me go through that rather than not track me.
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As much as I hate the cookie banner, it is this requirement that forced companies to disclose the massive amounts of tracking they are using when anyone visits their site.
> The EU is constantly trying to regulate US companies.
What, you mean if they want to do business in the EU, sell their products in the EU and process the data of EU citizens?
> Every time I click on a stupid cookie notice I fondly think of the EU.
That’s just scumbag malpractice on purpose.
Number one, such tracking consent should have been a web standard and set in the browser itself (like Do Not Track), not stupid per-site banners that are designed to get you to accept everything just to make them fuck off. We shouldn’t even need extensions etc. to get rid of them, it’s like the problem was solved at the wrong level and in the worst way possible.
Secondly, everyone responsible for the state of those banners should have been fined greatly. I only say fined because claiming that some people should be in jail over coercing millions of people to give up their data to trackers would apparently be unreasonable.
europeans certainly did make their politics everyone else's problem for centuries (we're talking every other continent at this point), but certainly the cookie banner is not even comparable, right?
The whataboutism is strong! I said a thing about American politics affecting many people beyond our borders, giving my blessing to an eu commenter to go ahead and comment on our politics.
Did that seem like I said something about EU politics? Did my support of their comments make you feel attacked or unfairly treated? Where is this coming from?
Cookie nonsense aside, the EU is mandating that AI companies watermark their output.
I'm curious if that (noticably) diminishes the quality of the output.
The stupid cookie notice is entirely the fault of the site you are visiting. The EU just made the site show you how it's fucking you.
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US commentators are often incredibly misinformed about their own country’s politics because the information bubbles are so hermetic when you’re inside them.
> I really tend to dislike when people outside e.g. the EU comment on our politics
We, uh… started a war that we’re trying to drag many European countries into, and we spent a good chunk of the last year threatening to invade a member of the EU. We’re on and off about trying to start a trade war with the EU.
At this point, you have absolutely every right to comment on our politics, pretty much however you want.
it's entirely possible that that specific communication from that Amazon exec/rep (?) was just one of many "messages of concern" (and the one that eventually the WH picked)
I think that active voice the person responding to you used was more politically factual, objective and did not took stand. Going out of your way to hide the actor is not politically neutral action nor it represents lack of commentary.
Anthropic has the appearance/rep of being non-cooperative with the military industrial complex.
OpenAI doesn't have that reputation.
That's all.
This. Anthropic made at least some token effort to imagine a future where AI and humans cooperate in a constructive way and AI is not used to harm people intentionally. They learned their lesson.
Only Americans, Anthropic made it clear they don’t care about surveillance and military actions when it’s not about American citizens
Are we forgetting how fast they rushed in to deploy Claude at the DoW with Palantir?
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Exactly. OAI didn't bury themselves. They didn't have to do anything special for this, they just had to let Anthropic be Anthropic and sit on the sidelines.