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Comment by ben_w

2 hours ago

> Second, yes the Budapest Memorandum was violated. Why didn’t the other parties do anything or immediately declare war on Russia besides just the United States?

The immediate reaction of the other parties was roughly the same as the USA's immediate reaction.

> Here’s a better question though: why didn’t the EU do something when Russia violated it?

The EU isn't party to the Budapest Memorandum.

> Is your gear ready?

It is actively being sent, unlike US gear which appears to have stopped roughly with Trump taking over.

> Are you ready to deploy to the front lines?

We aren't asking you to deploy to the front lines of Ukraine. Why do you even think this has been asked of you?

> Why are 600 million Europeans asking 340 million Americans to defend them from 180 million Russians?

This is an entirely separate question to Ukraine.

About 500 million Europeans are living in a NATO state. For them, if war came to them (which it has not yet done so!), the answer is "Article 5". We're already wondering if the USA honour its obligations, so yet again the very fact you have even asked this question makes us trust the USA less.

It's almost like you think, as the Russians keep claiming, NATO was never really a mutual defence treaty, but a way for the USA to be stronger.

That said, a thought crosses my mind: If I were a Chinese or Russian propagandist, I'd get someone to do what you're doing now. Or, better yet, convince some actual Americans to do what you're doing now.

"Divide and conquer, baby. Isolate the big scary army from all their allies who are also their industrial suppliers and FOBs!"

> The immediate reaction of the other parties was roughly the same as the USA's immediate reaction.

Other Western parties, I should have written.

Wikipedia list of parties to the Budapest Memorandum: Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Russia, United States, United Kingdom

Oh look, Germany, France, Poland, Finland, they are not on that list.