Comment by arjie
4 hours ago
Haha it’s just a foolish move made by those from the ‘90s. We all internalized a different lesson. The younger generations have learned to brush it off and stop responding. Even if the person is human, when you fail to move toward Aumann Agreement, there is no point in persisting.
Us older ones are still fighting the last war. If only we explain it properly, maybe the bots will understand!
I justify it to myself by saying that even if I'm arguing with a bot, I want to have a counterargument posted for the benefit of the people who are reading the comments
Arguing on the internet is not about convincing the other side. It's about winning the majority opinion and getting more votes. Almost like politics.
Obvioulsy not true for all the arguments, only a subset of those not worth having.
> If only we explain it properly, maybe the bots will understand!
I'm going to be thinking about this perfect summary of my frustration of the last 20 years all day
I googled Aumann Agreement and it’s all about agreeing about whether things are true/false/likely/unlikely.
I don’t understand your point at all in this context. What’s “Aumann Agreement” in the context of a discussion about values?
Haha, it’s figurative and requires squinting. “rational actors with common axioms will reach shared conclusions through repeated exchange of information”.
So if you’re not reaching a shared conclusion then you’re not exchanging information, you don’t have shared axioms, or one of you isn’t rational.
If it didn’t land with you, it was just a poor choice of phrase and while I care to attempt to explain it, I don’t care to attempt to defend it.
Values are not different from other positions that people might hold. I believe values and principles are just lossy compressions of positions about specifics because we cannot express them all. When you poke at the edges you find they are fractal. So “what’s your estimate for random variable X?” And “are open borders good?” Are not really different questions so much as questions about different levels of specificity.
My incomplete self-note about this here https://wiki.roshangeorge.dev/w/Principles_Are_Compressed_Im...
Have you heard about the free energy principle and free energy model of emotions? In this model, all brain does is minimize the prediction error, so all values and beliefs are bayesian priors by necessity.
Appreciate the writeup, thanks.
The outcomes those values achieve.