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Comment by toyg

17 hours ago

They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot.

Paradise? LA was a big giant horrible underdeveloped wasteland in Spanish/Mexican times which, at the time in 1849, had 1,600 residents. Most of them had a largely pastoral life and life was brutal there.

LA under US rule is the prime example of what industrialized people can do to a place that lacked nearly everything of what it is at this moment: a world-class city.

Objectively, if it had stayed under Mexican rule, it’d resemble Yuma at best or Tecate at worst. I should know, my family lineage goes back to that era to both sides of the border.

  • One's "underdeveloped wasteland" is someone else's untouched paradise. Particularly someone like Joni Mitchell.

  • Was it that a big, giant, horrible wasteland because it was undeveloped? That is, was there something bad about it other than being undeveloped? Personally, I love living in the city AND land in its natural state.

    Also, GP was quoting a song lyric.

    • I think the best intro to LA is Cadillac Desert by Marc Reisner (it's really about the entire West and its relationship to water, but I think the first few chapters explain LA better than many other books.)

  • It's part of a very popular song from the 70s by Joni Mitchell called "Big Yellow Taxi".

    Counting Crows did a cover in 2002.

Is there an alternative if 13 million people want to live somewhere?

  • Somewhat sadly, the reason a lot of the ancestors of those 13 millions moved there was that they wanted an unpaved paradise.

    Unfortunately, humans do not know restraint.