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Comment by phoghed

11 hours ago

> It's not enough to have data, you also have to have societal buy-in.

You already have it, people want this.

> Waymo says it has 170 million miles and I found 2 fatal accidents it was involved in (fault doesn't matter as fault is not included in the other stat either). Looks like the average is about 1.3 fatalities per 100 million miles, and about 1 per 100 million miles for CDLs. This doesn't seem that impressive.

And what do those numbers look up as the saturation of self driving cars increases?

> people want this.

Could you justify this? e.g. https://doi.org/10.1080/17450101.2024.2325386 (N=1890):

"What first comes to mind when you hear the term self-driving vehicles?" (coded free-text) 17% positive, 34% neutral, 49% negative

"How would you feel about riding in a self-driving vehicle instead of the existing ways you travel?" 28% comfortable, 15% neutral, 53% uncomfortable

"How would you feel about using the roads alongside self-driving vehicles?" 29% comfortable, 20% neutral, 49% uncomfortable

  • Looking at the companion reports it seems to me like boomers are bringing the numbers down. Once they die off we’re good to go.

  • That was a few years ago. I wonder if feelings have changed as more people get experience with self driving vehicles.

> And what do those numbers look up as the saturation of self driving cars increases?

Keep in mind the lesson of seat belts. Which is that the highest-risk drivers are also the least likely to wear a seatbelt.

Selective recruitment is a danger in this armchair analysis, too. I don’t think 18 year olds aren’t giving up the thrill of tearing down side streets at 60mph to use a self-driving car - they probably can’t even afford one. To be honest, I am just guessing at the profile of the biggest offenders but insurance rates seem to back me up.