Comment by totetsu
7 hours ago
How do you test and monitor outbound access against program that adapts itself to get around things? if your MITM and filtering keywords etc, cant it just .. encode it traffic somehow or another.. If you're looking at traffic volumes, cant it just go slow.. If you have strict ACLs, we've already seen in the HF case, traversal from an intermediate system..
If you can't tell bytes are leaving a node, you probably shouldn't be selling security services or testifying to congress you are taking the lead in AI security
Use a basic firewall? Not a single outbound byte should leave the machine, except inside a virtual network towards in-scope test subjects. That's not going to be infallible because hypervisor exploits still exist, but it's the lowest bar and they failed to even meet that.
> If you have strict ACLs, we've already seen in the HF case, traversal from an intermediate system
- The intermediate system shouldn't have outbound access to the internet
- You should ideally be using a proxy that filters the set of endpoints that clients are allowed to access to reduce the exposed surface area.
It's odd to find out that I use a higher level of isolation in my unimportant home network to stop IOT devices from doing funny things to HomeAssistant than big AI labs use to keep their possibly-world-ending AIs contained.
I know that the people working there aren't idiots so the most likely explanation is that the incredibly weak security was intentional because its inevitable breach would make for great marketing.
> I know that the people working there aren't idiots so the most likely explanation is that the incredibly weak security was intentional because its inevitable breach would make for great marketing.
It's more likely to be different specialisations. Most of the people doing the evaluations are more data sciencey ML type people, rather than software engineers. This isn't helped by their culture which is very much driven towards alignment as the only possible solution to super-intelligence (which may be true, but I have my doubts that this will happen in any reasonable time frame).
> How do you test and monitor outbound access against program that adapts itself to get around things?
Literally what the industry has been doing since public networking is a thing. Adapt yourself.
Air gap?
So just enable access to a completely offline, cached, and transparently proxied, copy of the internet.
Isn't that essentially what they trained with, anyway?
I think that was the plan. But OpenAI hacked the proxy
There has to be a route to where the LLM is running, and if there's a route for that there's probably a way for the machine to use it to route traffic somewhere else.
No, just allow the firewall to access the LLM endpoint, nothing else. And protect the firewall settings from the agent.
There doesn't have to be. You can easily block all outbound traffic, or the VM can exist without any network interface at all - you can control it through its host using a serial console.