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Comment by foota

14 hours ago

I feel like multimodal models that can read images should work differently than they do. My understanding is that multimodal models basically first generate an image embedding and then the model is trained to interpret that embedding, but in the same way that text is lossy, it seems like the embedding would be as well. Why don't multimodal models learn to interpret images themselves without an embedding? Or e.g., by passing some "prompt" to the embedding model?

What does interpreting images mean in practice if you exclude the possibility of feature extraction or any other sort of implicit embedding?

  • I'm not an ML expert, but I was thinking of a sort of "guided" embedding. E.g., give the image model some prompt for what it's trying to do? I don't understand why multimodal models generate an embedding that doesn't understand what the model is trying to "figure out".

    I think this is similar to how Gemma 4 12B is implemented, but even then I don't think the single layer image embedding is "aware" of the context.