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Comment by bonoboTP

1 day ago

The alternative is WordArt, or just black on white Comic Sans with some bolding and font size variations with bad ClipArt. These small scale events would never hire a professional.

I'm old enough to remember that people also complained about WordArt and Clipart and too many fonts etc.

I see the chatgpt poster style on many small-scale local village events also. But again, what they replace wasn't any better. It's not replacing some beautiful craft that existed before.

  > I'm old enough to remember that people also complained about WordArt and Clipart and too many fonts etc.

We basically had two kinds of posters:

  - those made by someone skilled/savvy (not necessarily a professional)
  - those made by someone without skills/knowledge

The later were awful, in the sense that I would never display them in my home as a reminder of a an event I took part in.

But still, they were nice because you knew someone took the time to create them to promote an event and share the important information about it, and each person was producing their own awful posters.

Now with gen AI we have something filled with trash, everything looks the same, the important information is hard to find...

Sure, the variations offered in the article are a bit better and more opinionated, but they still reek AI conformity and I feel sick looking at them.

  • > they still reek AI conformity and I feel sick looking at them

    I bet you would not feel sick if you didn't know ahead of time they were AI-generated. Some really are quite good.

    • It's saturation.

      If I saw an Images 2.0 flyer in year 2020? In a world where Images 2.0 didn't exist? I'd be impressed. But if I see it now, today? I'm not impressed at all.

      It's the same image, produced by the same AI and seen by the same person. So, what's the difference? What changed over time?

      Saturation. "I've seen it all before." AI made that specific flyer style plentiful and omnipresent, and that made it "derivative" and "cheap". What used to invoke "cool" and "wow" was turned into a dreary cliche by repetition. Flaws that were easy to overlook when overshadowed by novelty stand out like a sore thumb now that you've seen them before in the same patterns many times over.

      The image is the same - it has the same strengths and the same flaws. But your focus is shifted by familiarity.

      It's the same mechanism that drives trends and fashion. AI just supercharges it.

      Naturally, you can avoid a lot of it by using careful prompting and steering to guide an AI away from the "cliche" style-space. You can get something with both good quality and good identity that way.

      But that requires: being aware of the problem, being really good at prompting, and putting in a considerable effort. It's hard to steer a model away from "AI cliches" if you don't have the eye to spot them in the first place.

      Most AI-generated content doesn't have that kind of skill and effort applied to it - it simply uses the "model defaults", and gets the "model defaults". For all the good and bad that comes with those.

    • The activities being perfectly aligned and normalized is the big tell here to me

      Idk how to express it exactly, but I don't see how a human would have come to something like this

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    • Like how if you bought a box of chocolates, and it was actually filled with rocks, you wouldn't dislike it until you found out.

      Immediate glamor followed by gradual disappointment is AI output all over.

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  • If you read the article at all, the "everything looks the same" is easily fixed with just a tiny bit of effort.

    It's not AI causing the sameyness and hard-to-read nature of these posters, it's people being lazy. I personally think there's a few nice looking ones in there (the punk fanzine style for one).

    Sure it's not some 9/10 hand made poster, but considering these take 30 seconds to make, it's impressive.

    • > Sure it's not some 9/10 hand made poster, but considering these take 30 seconds to make, it's impressive.

      It's not impressive. It would be impressive if a human did it, but a human did not do it. Is it impressive when a printer prints out 10 perfect copies of the same flyer, because it would be impressive if a human could do that? No, of course not. It's similarly not impressive when the copying machine makes a plausible copy of something a human once made.

  • > But still, they were nice because you knew someone took the time to create them to promote an event

    Unlike a gift, "it's the thought that counts" doesn't fly with me here. I don't care how much effort the secretary took to cobble some shitty poster together - it still looked terrible. I'd rather look at something clean and polished produced by AI (no matter how "generic" people here claim the OP's posters look).

  • Some level of uniformity is fine and indeed the norm. It was uniform back when posters were hand painted, eg 19th century world fairs or zoo openings or theater posters. They look pretty similar. Carneval posters looked similar.

    The expectation of some kaleidoscope of styles is not really grounded in how things used to be ever.

    Also, it's just nostalgia, just like how some young people now think audio cassettes and discmans are "cool" and have some revival, some are nostalgic for the back-in-the-day Word posters because "at least back then", but "these days" it's decline etc. Pretty sure in a few years people will be nostalgic for crappy AI slop of 2025-26 because their shittiness will feel like some charm compared to whatever the AI will be able to do.

    •   > Also, it's just nostalgia
      

      I'm not sure about that. I, myself, am not skilled enough to make a nice poster, so when I needed one, I used to asked my skilled friends to do them for me.

      But sometimes I also purposefully made myself some Comic Sans stuff, exaggerating them in every possible way, as a joke. And it was well received because people knew it was my own work and understood the joke.

      If I made this today, it would not be seen the same. People would thought I'm trying to fight gen AI trash or I'm nostalgic of the past. While I'm just trying to make a joke by making something awful on purpose.

      And I couldn't do the same joke using gen AI. The "on purpose" cannot be conveyed. People would just see gen AI trash.

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    • Sorry, but Walkmans and Discmans were considered cool... At the time.

      Personally I like simple designs. I always remind people who make posters that whoever looks at them will only do so for a matter of seconds. If you want extensive detail, put it in smaller print. Put the main hook in large letters and a brief description.

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I am somewhat tired of all the AI posters, but I have to agree with what you are saying. The alternative was not any better. I think there's a persistent and very vocal segment of the population that just want to complain about anything to do with AI with a take no hostage approach. Some instances are understandable but if a local small town event or a low budget restaurant using AI to make a poster draws so much ire, I feel that it may be likely misplaced personal frustrations projected towards others. The response don't seem to be proportional to the offence.

> The alternative is WordArt, or just black on white Comic Sans with some bolding and font size variations with bad ClipArt

??

The alternative is people just taking some markers & a sheet of paper, or chalk and a blackboard.

If you travel around east Asia you’ll be delighted by the variety and creativity of these handmade signs. Way better than anything produced digitally.

But of course their relationship to handwriting is completely different there compared to the west.

I know this is an internet forum, but do you have any experience with posters? There are many great tools to create posters from templates. You can make something in canva for example in minutes from free templates. You upload a photo, play around with it. You can also search the old internet for some tutorials. You know, like a human would do.

One of my favorite local ice cream shops uses Comic Sans (white on navy blue) on all their signage and this is one of the main reasons I frequent it. If they were to switch to some AI slop I wouldn't step my feet in there again.

  • Sounds like you could go to a different shop right now, that stands out for its ice cream instead of its signs. :)

> But again, what they replace wasn't any better.

I would argue otherwise.

whereas before I'd take a glance and go "hm interesting" or whatever, with these its just "oh look, it's AI slop" and that's all I will notice

  • In the examples above, that’s really your own loss? There will only be one or two events in your local village, it seems self defeating to ignore what they offer because you don’t like the medium. At least these posters are well laid out and easy to read.

  • I can't help but like the posters for the sheer reason that they annoy some annoying people who have a visceral reaction to the concept of AI.

    • > who have a visceral reaction to the concept of AI

      why do you think this is the reason?

      should I be cheering and clapping when someone goes on chatgpt and say "make me a poster" and they think they're a genius when this slop comes out?

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