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Comment by geraneum

14 hours ago

> You don't know what it feels like not because you're so free, but because you agree with the ruling regime on what it considers the most important questions.

We don’t know what it feels like because we collectively participate and decide what should be considered and what not _periodically_ and it’s possible to change it, evidently, with various degrees and velocity by voting.

> I would much prefer the dictatorship-style censorship, because our censorship is far, far more effective.

Case in point!

I’ve lived under both and can guarantee you don’t know what that dictatorship you so much yearn for has in their bag for you until it’s too late.

I guess he is not yearning for dictatorship, the style of censorship is the question. Preventing access to information is bad, but likely less harmful than deception.

  • > Preventing access to information is bad, but likely less harmful than deception.

    It’s a mistake to separate these. They go hand in hand and mich further as you climb up the authoritarian ladder.

    What do you think is the style of censorship in authoritarian regimes like Iran? Do you think it’s just preventing access?

Its true, all usually highly conplex world events are dumbed down to an insanely infantile level that carefully omits anything that may poorly reflect on corporate interests.

Also obvious is that all news is made in a short list of countries. Everywhere else the best you can hope for are terrible events.

You will only get opinions from a small list of talking heads.

One might imagine populating the media with nothing but professors. Each field has new stuff every week. In stead you get Adam Savage. The name isn't by acident.

> by voting

Not a single one of my examples was committed by the government (except if you count funding Carnegie Mellon and MIT). But even in cases when they are, voting rarely helps: https://www.woes.blog/p/tgr-democracy

> you don’t know what that dictatorship you so much yearn for

Re-read my sentence. I don't yearn for a dictatorship, I yearn to blunt and make obvious the current secret, subtle censorship regime.

> has in their bag for you

Is it jail?

“White Lives Matter” Slogan Earns Two Dutch Men Imprisonment for Racism - https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/nether...

Activist ran race-hate sticker library, court told - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51zn2l33r9o -Stickers with text like "It's OK to be White" and "We will be a minority in our homeland by 2066". For which he was later convicted and jailed - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-68448867

I repeat - you agree with the regime. You're floating in the river, letting it carry you where it pleases, while telling those swimming upstream that there is no current, nothing to struggle against.

Edit as reply because "posting too fast":

> How did all of these social media companies made a 180 suddenly after power shifts in Washington?

None of the racist or right-wing or white nationalist subreddits got unbanned, American Renaissance is still banned off Facebook and Youtube, Facebook still explicitly bans white nationalism, and other social media ban it implicitly as "hate speech", TikTok bans "white lives matter" [1], and promised to ban even more [2] (under Trump's 1st term), while wikipedia doesn't even bother to mention that as censorship [3]. All of this is still the case under the current Washington. The only exception is Twitter, after Musk bought it - there, American Renaissance got unbanned.

And a 180 would imply that these things are not only unbanned, but their opponents are banned.

So if you're going to just make stuff up, i.e. lie, then I won't waste my time with you.

[1] https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/tiktok-sparks-massive-b...

[2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/tiktok-says-it-will-crack-down...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_TikTok

  • > Not a single one of my examples was committed by the government.

    Interesting! How did all of these social media companies make a 180 suddenly after power shifts in Washington?

    > You're floating in the river,…

    Of course but this doesn’t have any bearing on what I said. We are talking about severity and type of censorship not its meaning.