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Comment by PorciiVorbesc

1 hour ago

>Nothing hampers solar, wind, and batteries though; at worst it takes longer to ship the key components from China to Europe around Africa.

Except you know, all the actual mining and manufacturing of those things, which isn't in the west but mostly in China.

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nine_k  36 minutes ago

Before, say, 2022 or 2026 for that reason, oil, coal, lithium, silicon, iron, etc were mined, processed, and shipped as usual. By now, the production and shipping of oil and oil-based fuels, and, to a lesser extent, LNG is hampered by wars. The production and shipping of what is required to build solar, wind, and even nuclear power sources continues, mostly unaffected by the wars, which makes these power sources relatively (even) more attractive.

Sadly, it does not mean that EU or USA grew less dependent on China for solar panels, industrial chemicals, or a lot of other things. OTOH, they did not grow more dependent either.

dalyons  1 hour ago

so what if theyre made in china?

  • PorciiVorbesc  1 hour ago 

      So what if all our oil comes from the middle east?

  So what if all our gas comes from Russia?

  So what if all chips are made in Taiwan?

  So what if all mobile platforms are from the US?

    Hopefully the penny will start to drop. Any minute now.

    • nazgul17  42 minutes ago

      But we are not buying oil or gas. We are buying hardware that will generate electricity for decades.

      I do hope the US turns around. As I see it, we (western countries) have aligned values and it's better for us all (US included) to stick together.

    • 3eb7988a1663  1 hour ago

      You burn a barrel of oil once. A solar panel lasts for 20+ years. After you have installed it, if China announces they will no longer sell new ones - you have two decades of lead time to start building your own domestically.