Comment by gruturo
9 hours ago
Better not, it would just get me even more pissed off at how crude and incompetent German traffic engineering is. Pretty sure some frustrated worker is making it worse on purpose - you don't reach certain peaks of crappiness accidentally, it takes _work_.
Can't speak to Germany, but one thing I like in the Netherlands is that if you approach an empty intersection the light will automatically turn green for you. Have never seen anything like that in North America.
And the roads themselves are good in NL (huge contrast when I moved to Montreal, where we'd have a metal mesh underneath bridges to catch falling concrete)
It happens in the US but is rare. Mostly it's a road servicing a well connected person or wealthy neighborhood that gets the dwell time reduced to nearly nothing.
There's an annoying one near me at the bottom of a hill where anyone approaching from the sidestreet will ruin the descent on bicycle, even if they were turning right (from a dedicated turn lane) and didn't need the light to change for them at all. Another is a former police station now used as a park facility. Cars entering the parking lot only need to barely brush over the sensor and the light changes instantly for no reason because they never reprogrammed the light when the police left.
According to Claude, NL only has 5500-6000 signaled intersections and of those approximately 900-1450 are of the type you are suggesting (iVRI). The benefit is also higher in NL due to the density and amount of cyclists. iVRI is also not latency sensitive and so installation costs are low as signaling can traverse the regular cellular network.
In the US, we have many more lights due to the road layout (grid). There are more than 3200 signaled intersections in my county in California alone despite being 1/14th of the land area of the NL.
The robot also estimates that there are 300,000 signaled intersections in the US. We honestly don't know how many there are because they are all operated by different agencies.
For US arterial roads iVRI has limited benefit. So the focus in the US has been on V2X development which focuses more on crash avoidance and has much higher installation costs due to latency requirements. In the end there's a lot of low hanging fruit here in the US if signals could just be retimed.
https://transportationops.org/publications/2012-national-tra...
NL has one procurement entity. In the US there is no single coordinating entity to standardize traffic lights. Each state standardizes its own lights and then each municipality handles its own procurement.
> you don't reach certain peaks of crappiness accidentally, it takes _work_.
Have you really never seen what happens when something grows organically without global maintenance? Not saying that this is what happened in Germany, but "it takes work" sounds naive.
It doesn't take work to write a crappy codebase: all you have to do is add code without really caring about the overall architecture.
Or said differently, if you can fix the German traffic engineering, you should apply there because I'm sure they would be happy to have an easy and perfect solution.