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Comment by podocarp

8 hours ago

Wait so if I was making a bomb but you couldn't prove I wanted to blow someone up or had some motive (e.g. I'm just a chemistry enthusiast, plenty of those YouTube channels around) so it just becomes an "accident"?

So as long as there's no motive behind it then it's just OK?

That's a bad faith metaphor. A better one would be something like a new battery that exploded and killed someone - perhaps it was always your intention, perhaps not.

Funnily enough the US already has one similar real argument around guns - should gun manufacturers be liable for damages caused by their product?

  • I suppose yes they should be liable if they were testing it in the middle of the street?

  • > Funnily enough the US already has one similar real argument around guns - should gun manufacturers be liable for damages caused by their product?

    The question is already settled - gun users are responsible for damages arising from their usage of the guns.

    Why would AI users not be responsible for damages arising from their usage of the AI?

    • > Why would AI users not be responsible for damages arising from their usage of the AI?

      Because, as usual with that kind of question, it's not that simple.

      Let's say an user asks ChatGPT to get some info about something and for some reason it starts using exploits in the background to get them from a server. Should the user be responsible or OpenAI?

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I think it’s more along the lines of PEPCON. They didn’t try to make a bomb. Their plant exploded and caused two fatalities and $100 MM in damages.

I don’t think OpenAI or any large company will see more than some fines and new legislation but only after a disaster.

  • Factories try to avoid accidents, and (almost always) actively try to prevent explosions, but in this case they did teach the models hacking, and let them roam. What they did was not safe, and they knew it, or could have known it.

I think their point is not that "it's OK", but that "that particular law isn't written to cover it and it'd be some other kind of crime or lawsuit."