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Comment by fxwin

7 hours ago

i'm well aware of the origin and meaning of the term

> "System 1" is fast, instinctive and emotional

this implies more than just "fast", which is precisely why i don't like its present usage

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samusiam  4 hours ago

I think System 1 is a great term. System 1 is fast, intuitive, and automatic. It describes decision-making that happens without explicit reasoning or deliberation. System 2 is the opposite: it's the more deliberate, "executive functioning" side of cognition -- the part that reasons through a problem before arriving at an answer. That's also what state-of-the-art LLMs do before they respond. Jev doesn’t do that kind of reasoning. It just decides.

  • SwellJoe  3 minutes ago

    I don't like anthropomorphizing terminology applied to LLMs, in general, so I kind of object to it on that grounds, rather than whether System 1 means "fast".

  • fxwin  4 hours ago

    so whats the difference between this and a non-reasoning LLM, or just any generic classifier method that necessitates a new term? there is nothing more intuitive or automatic about jev or this than any of the other currently used AI models

  • agumonkey  4 hours ago

    I wonder if there are research on when system 2 keeps taking over because system 1 has derailed.

tancop  7 hours ago

Instinctive is a good way to describe it compared to generative LLMs. Jev gives you one instant answer, fast and usually correct but without nuance or any explanation. Human instincts work the same way.

  • fxwin  5 hours ago

    You're describing external aspects but to me, "instinct" says much more about internal processes than the properties you mentioned, and I haven't seen anything that tells me how these models draw on anything similar to these internal processes to generate their outputs (at least not more than generic LLMs do)

  • __alexs  5 hours ago

    In my testing Jev is not what I would call "usually correct" on most topics that involve knowledge of the world outside of the context you give it.