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Comment by rich_sasha

4 hours ago

I’d say it is a very low quality article. There is very little detail about what the offending speech actually includes. For example:

> The wife of a conservative politician was sentenced to 31 months in prison for what police said was an unacceptable post.

What did she say? The article does not elucidate.

Inciting violence for example is not legal. I believe spaces around abortion clinics are also to be free from demonstrations. US free speech absolutists seem to vehemently disagree until you say something unkind about Charlie Kirk or ICE.

The low point might be quoting Elon Musk. This is true in any context, but in particular here. The scandal is real, but none of it is about people being arrested for non-politically-correct speech.

There’s plenty of otherwise real stuff to poke the UK about.

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ljf  4 hours ago

I don't have time to dig up her post - but she was calling on people to set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers - she had around 10,000 followers, and her post was read 300,000 times: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yl7p4l11po

  • Quarrelsome  2 hours ago

    oh and in court she rested her entire defence on the tragic death of one of her children a decade prior. However her device had been confiscated and her WhatsApp messages to a friend included "if I end up in court I'll play the mental health card".

  • ctjr  3 hours ago

    I am disappointed in most reporting on this case. I wish they would include what she actually said. Here is the full tweet:

    > Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it

    [0] https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Connolly...

graemep  4 hours ago

UK abortion clinic laws go a lot further than banning demonstrations.

1. Holding up a sign offering help to any women being coerced into an abortion is illegal. 2. Standing silently on the road near one can be illegal. 3. parking a car with a bumper sticker near one can be illegal.

The whole paragraph about Musk and rape gangs is nonsense, of course. The biggest rape gang ever convicted in the UK was entirely white. Musk and his ilk only care about rape when the rapists are not white. On average immigrants are slightly less likely to commit sexual assaults (obviously averaging across many different groups).

> What did she say? The article does not elucidate.

She called for hotels housing asylum seekers to be burned. I think she is a nasty racist but I also think the sentence was excessive and I am not convinced it was a serious incitement to violence (and that was not what she was convicted of).

> US free speech absolutists seem to vehemently disagree until you say something unkind about Charlie Kirk or ICE.

Not American, and I entirely support the right of anyone to make unkind comments about anyone else. You are right that many people apply different standards to their own side, but right wing Americans are are from alone in that.

  • gadders  4 hours ago

    >>The whole paragraph about Musk and rape gangs is nonsense, of course. The biggest rape gang ever convicted in the UK was entirely white. Musk and his ilk only care about rape when the rapists are not white.

    They only care when the rapists are coming from outside the UK, and being protected by the authorities.

    >>On average immigrants are slightly less likely to commit sexual assaults (obviously averaging across many different groups).

    I think that is called picking your sample carefully. No-one is worried about EG the Chinese or the French.

  • TheOtherHobbes  3 hours ago

    Musk and his ilk care about dog whistle topics that can be used to trigger people into supporting them.

    The emphasis on 'rape gangs', 'immigrants' and 'asylum seekers' isn't just objectively untrue, it's cynically manipulative. It's fundamentally a toxic and calculated form of marketing and branding.

    And also a cynical distraction from - for example - the Epstein story and Musk's appearances in it.

    There was a lot of this around Brexit. Many supporters voted to 'stop them coming over here'.

    The government then ramped up immigration - a lot. For some reason the press failed to report this.

    • someonebaggy  3 hours ago

      I would have thought immigration was mainly a factor of the immigrants, not the government. Do people not support free movement? In China you're assigned to a city or rural zone and you can't leave that area.