Comment by triceratops
6 hours ago
> > Describes most oil-producing countries. This is virtue signalling.
> Norway is an oil-producing country and not an autocracy. Your point was disproven.
Are you somehow unfamiliar with the definition of the word "most"?
> That basically proves my initial point lol
I don't know what your "point" was honestly because you yourself conceded it didn't "matter much".
> Ok then you can stop replying to me since [green energy is] not the only thing I'm talking about
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49821986 that's what you were talking about there.
> If your version of "Japan can green by buying China's products" you're being immature in your understanding of international relations
Japan (and most other countries) are already "not green" by buying oil from other autocratic nations. Like I said this is all virtue signalling to avoid going renewable. The fossil fuel industry loves it.
"Rare earths" are a strategic necessity for defence, and China won't sell them for that reason - fine. Countries who still need them can nationalize processing capacity and run it at a loss for the sole use of defence industries. No need to participate or compete in the market at all. China's subsidies and the WTO don't matter.
> Are you somehow unfamiliar with the definition of the word "most"?
Your point was still not great, but I apologize as I misread what you wrote.
> I don't know what your "point" was honestly because you yourself conceded it didn't "matter much".
If you don't know what we were discussing why are you arguing about it?
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49821986 that's what you were talking about there.
Industrial output falling because of tariffs for example would be aligned with my initial post. You're being argumentative here for no good reason. If you just want to talk about the engineering technology I don't have much else to say about it. But if you want to talk about the important stuff, why it's not being adopted, why some countries are adopting it and others aren't, I think that's an interesting conversation to have.
> Japan (and most other countries) are already "not green" by buying oil from other autocratic nations. Like I said this is all virtue signalling to avoid going renewable. The fossil fuel industry loves it.
Well they're stuck between buying oil from autocratic nations (China also buys oil from autocratic nations) or buying green technology from autocratic nations which are also threatening them or stopping exports of the technology or industry. Saudi Arabia (or insert whatever country here) doesn't for example stop oil exports to Japan for example if Japan also does their own oil drilling or exploration. China does stop exports of certain technologies or even processed rare earth minerals.
> "Rare earths" are a strategic necessity for defence, and China won't sell them for that reason - fine. Countries who still need them can nationalize processing capacity and run it at a loss for the sole use of defence industries. No need to participate or compete in the market at all.
No lol they'll subsidize them and refuse to buy China's products to protect domestic industries and capabilities to build the products themselves. It won't be limited to defense. Plus as I have pointed out a few times China itself restricts exports because of the threat of dual-use (which is in response to Chinese provocations) so China will in effect stop the export of defense-related products even when they can be used by consumers.
> China's subsidies and the WTO don't matter.
That doesn't make any sense.