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Comment by gagik_co

2 days ago

It’d make the most sense for the Dutch government (or DAWO) to have their own Forgejo instance if the goal is data sovereignty.

edit: looks like this was originally the case and then they moved?

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utopiah  2 days ago

clearly shows the need for federated forges, where you get to decide on your own rules but you still benefit from interacting with a broader set of collaborators.

  • amiga386  2 days ago

    That's likely to end up Balkanized like the fediverse, where every instance has a list of other instances they refuse to federate with, often because politics or petty drama. Though to be fair to the fediverse, sometimes it's because those other instances are full of child porn and most people just don't want to see that.

    It amuses me that Mastodon Central uses corpo-friendly labels for the sites they won't federate with, e.g. (https://mastodon.social/about)

        tsundere.love   Suspended (Hate speech)
    you**.**ve      Suspended (Inappropriate content)

    Whereas the more free-wheeling sites, like the ones Mastodon Central blocks, tell it exactly how it is: (https://tsundere.love/about)

        nadeko.pw      CP
    mk.fedcast.ch  Spam
    youjo.love     hosts at least one admitted pedo

    • fc417fc802  2 days ago

      A lot of such issues could likely be resolved by a better thought out protocol. There are certainly plenty of self righteous people who would refuse to federate purely on principle but more typically the issue is simply that one does not wish to be exposed to or traffic in any way the content in question. A well thought out self categorization system could largely address that need - you'd only need to refuse to peer with those who failed to apply it. AI also makes any such effort easier than ever.

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    • Akronymus  2 days ago

      weirdly enough that reminds me of wattpad and ao3, where wattpad uses much nicer sounding terms while ao3 uses as accurate terms as possible. (which makes ao3 seem more "degenerate")

    • mitxela  2 days ago

      If you want to follow some CP poster on nadeko.pw then you can ask your admin on tsundere.love to unblock it and he will probably just ban you for admitting you like CP.

      Where did we get this idea that federated instances should never block anything? Even warez sites have rules.

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  • poulpy123  2 days ago

    That's a recipe for drama as shown with mastodon when they got publicity few years ago

  • embedding-shape  2 days ago

    Yeah, waiting for this too, feels like the final piece of the puzzle. Tracking issue from Codeberg + more general information about the effort around the the ecosystem:

    - https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/59 ("[FEAT] implement federation")

    - https://forgefed.org/

    • athrowaway3z  2 days ago

      Final piece of what puzzle?

      We can do big federated/distributed development with git at the project level. See the linux kernel.

      If the goal is fancy UI then there are alternatives.

      If the goal is to do a big multi-git with cross repo issue tracker, then that implies either:

      - you're a public site for random repos like codeberg

      - you're a special purpose forge and identity management is a big issue you want full control over.

      IMO - For this to work, they should go with the latter and not try to offload identity into some federated scheme.

mitxela  2 days ago

We can insist everyone self-hosts everything, but is it worth it? Do you have your own email? It's quite normal for a government agency to contract a third party to supply e.g. furniture, instead of chopping its own wood.

  • gmueckl  2 days ago

    But furniture is a one time sale, not an ongoing service. That's a bad comparison.

    • Quothling  2 days ago

      Furniture is actually an ongoing service on the scale of public organisations. When I worked for a Danish city we had a set of subscriptions for furniture, depending on what sort of institution it was. This probably won't surprise you but city hall had the supreme plus subscription which meant that furniture was replaced regularily, while schools had the shit tier subscription meaning the furniture almost had to break into pieces before it got replaced. It's done with purchase agreements for an entire sector.

      I think the comparison is fair enough considering that self-hosted would work sort of similar. In that you'd rent the physical space for your hardware (and possibly the hardware itself) at local suppliers, and not actually have it in your basement.