Comment by no-name-here
19 hours ago
> can only create a sandbox that a half skilled human operator could have broken out of easily
The exploit:
> The ExploitGym evaluation environment did not provide the models with direct Internet access. To gain Internet access, the models identified and exploited a previously unknown zero-day vulnerability in Artifactory, a package registry cache proxy. We disclosed this vulnerability, along with other Artifactory vulnerabilities our models identified as part of our review, to the vendor. [1]
Are "half skilled human operators" "easily" able to find zero-day vulnerabilities in a sandbox with only one line to the internet (the commercial package registry cache proxy)?
[1] https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-model-evaluation-secur...
The larger issue with the HF incident is that before it occurred, OAI already knew the agents were exploiting Artifactory, turning it into a message board and then gaining full internet access through it. OAI's response to discovering this was not to airgap the test, but instead to simply block that particular Artifactory exploit, rebuild, and then resume. That's ... nuts.
Oh, and after resuming the tests, the Artifactory message board was reestablished almost immediately, but it took a number of days to fully breach HF. In all that time, after seeing Artifactory compromised the first time, nobody even bothered to check if those naughty agents were at it again.
This is all documented by OAI, with a timeline, here:
https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-incident-and-the-road-...
To know that there was a serious weakness in the sandbox, and to just patch an exploit and resume with nothing else changed and no monitoring, in a test where all guardrails were off, the bots were thirsty for some internet juice, and Artifactory was a clear target? This is where even a half-skilled human should have decided that this wasn't a great idea.
The more you look into the details of this thing, the more it does your head in.
Probably wasn’t a human operator at all that detected this. Just someone’s agent saying “I noticed there’s messages on the artifactory and the agents are communicating, here’s the fix I propose” from someone’s codex, skim read and someone just going “yeah sure go ahead”
It's irresponsible to a degree that it should have some very serious consequences but I highly doubt anything at all will come of it.
That website makes it look like they're so proud of what happened. I don't think it was 100% deliberate, but they really were not concerned about their models doing something shady
They LOVE the PR and the “danger” angle bc it makes them feel powerful. Dont think too much about the psychology…
> The larger issue with the HF incident is that before it occurred, OAI already knew the agents were exploiting Artifactory, turning it into a message board and then gaining full internet access through it. OAI's response to discovering this was not to airgap the test, but instead to simply block that particular Artifactory exploit, rebuild, and then resume. That's ... nuts.
This annoys me so much. Everyone is acting as if the model went rogue, when it really did exactly what it's been trained for. This story is so fucking engineered.
Those PR stunts are the paperclips we cannot stop.
> Are "half skilled human operators" "easily" able to find zero-day vulnerabilities in a sandbox with only one line to the internet (the commercial package registry cache proxy)?
Yes. It’s a fairly simple SSRF attack as far as I can tell. One of the first things I’d try. Especially considering that I would already be armed with the information that I have no internet access except through a thing that downloads things off the internet for me.
Calling it zero day makes it sound elusive. It’s a bug in closed software that has like 40 CVEs this year alone. Tools like that, especially in internal networks, don’t get much scrutiny and are often riddled with issues.
> Calling it zero day makes it sound elusive ... has like 40 CVEs this year alone.
1. I clicked into ~20 of the recent CVEs, and it looks like about all of them came from openai or anthropic research?
2. In fact, every CVE in the last 2 years came from the last few months -- i.e. other than these recent CVEs, you'd have go back more than 2 years ago to find a single other CVE.
So like I said: unscrutinised and riddled with issues.
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> the commercial package registry cache proxy
Any closed source program is insane liability. Trusting in competence of one company is the easiest way to get burnt.
Hey, even Joey can hack a Gibson with enough determination.
Part of my day job is to set up testing of our product in air-gapped environment. It's not difficult. There's a straightforward way to ensure no connection to Internet (we use KVM, so, I just edit the VM description and remove the NIC from it). It's not any kind of rocket science. The tests then communicate over serial console.
The reason we have to test it isn't because our product would randomly break into someone else's system, but because it's meant to be sometimes deployed in systems disconnected from the Internet and we need to make sure the image provided contains all the necessary parts to create and operate such a system.
The whole setup where they "tried" to isolate the test but failed is laughable. It's like if an adult tried but failed to tie their shoelaces.