Comment by sanderjd
2 days ago
Couldn't agree more. We should be worried about both things.
But I share the original posters bafflement that the mainstream conversation seems to accept that framing that the agents were independent intelligences rather than computer programs that the organization that created them is responsible for.
> that framing that the agents were independent intelligences rather than computer programs that the organization that created them is responsible for.
Sorry, why not both? If my dog bites someone, I'm still responsible.
We should be worry about both but at this point of time, agents aren't independent intelligences, someone has to use/create it.
A bad analogy but if your dog bites, we don't frame the dog as having awaken some unexplainable ability to defy your orders (your dog went rogue). Just because you spent lot of time to train it to not bite upon your instruction, doesn't mean it's the right training protocol or that you introduce enough variable or gave the right instruction. You're lawfully responsible for the bite and ethically wrong for removing the leash on your dog to test whether it bites(do it enough time, you now have a criminal intent), worse you didn't even closely monitor it.
Great framing. This dichotomy seems to be a bit of a mind-killer. Maybe because folks think it smuggles in consciousness or intelligence.
As you note, I think you can put both of those aside. The Intentional Frame is useful for these agents, as it is for my dog.
I don’t really know where the “they are trying to dodge liability” meme came from. HF will be compensated or they will sue. Everyone involved knows that OpenAI is liable for damages here.
It clearly does "smuggle in" consciousness or intelligence. It isn't even smuggled in, it's explicitly in the text of the argument.
I do agree with you that this is the mind killer. This is what everyone wants to argue about, because it's the fun question.
I think you're skipping over the (alleged) criminal element here. I think a lot of people are wondering why hacking is okay for OAI.
HF could certainly sue but why isn't the FBI investigating the hacking?
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Because, in my view, they are not independent intelligences.