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Comment by swingboy

3 hours ago

Is there a lab more innovative than DeepSeek? Imagine if they had the same compute resources that Anthropic and OpenAI have.

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ProphetOfParado  3 hours ago

Food for thought: Constraints are the source of creativity.

  • rozim  3 hours ago

    Possibly relevant: 突破技术壁垒, "break the technical barricade" -> overcome an obstacle through innovation (in this case, sub SOTA GPUs at least).

    Native Chinese speakers to confirm....

    • michaellee8  2 hours ago

      your translation is correct, I would say Chinese labs may be able to figure out the current capability of latest frontier models in 3-6 months, but then Anthropic and OpenAI may have already been ASI in that time already. China's main problem is still lack of (good) chips, and that is a hardware issue that is unlikely to be solved for a while. and more effort for efficiency means less effort for actual capability improvements. we have already seen what anthropic can do if they focus on efficiency with opus 5.5

impulser_  3 hours ago

Short term they might have less compute, but long term they will most definitely have more compute. They don't have to worry about energy, they don't have to worry about people blocking them building data centers the only thing stopping them is there no Chinese manufacturer that can produce a chip as good as Nvidia but I would bet that solved in a year or so.

SmartestUnknown  2 hours ago

Just because other companies don't write papers about what they do doesn't mean they aren't innovative...

  • broodbucket  1 hour ago

    I'm actually the most innovative, I've written thousands of papers advancing the state of human knowledge. They're just in my basement and I don't show anyone.

  • doc_ick  2 hours ago

    Sure, but we’ll never know what they do or if it is innovate because we won’t know what they do.

ijidak  2 hours ago

"Necessity is the mother of invention."

Not sure they'd be the same without the constraints.