Comment by torginus
5 days ago
Nerds suck. They are smelly, have bad posture, manners, never leave their rooms and are generally unappealing.
They also have a nasty habit of being aware of nefarious practices, will resist all attempts to and harvest their data, or lock them into your service, and will drop you if your competitor makes a 3% better product, and will reject every upsell for actually profitable services.
Plus there is only so many of them.
A wave of nausea hit when I first saw the warm, fuzzy, cutesy, kawaii, Teletubby-like avatar that Meta gave its Muse agent.
And now OpenAI has done the same thing with their fuzzy, friendly, colorful dots.
I am physically sick.
im crying and throwing up everywhere. everything i use must be brutalist.
even seeing the linux penguin makes me want to punch my monitor and commit sudoku
> commit sudoku
Hilarious.
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> even seeing the linux penguin makes me want to punch my monitor and commit sudoku
Puzzling, indeed!
I think you missed the point. Things should look like what they are.
The Linux kernel is ultimately a friendly open-source project. There's no harm in it being marketed using a cartoon penguin.
These AI services, meanwhile, are the dangled lights on the heads of data-hungry environment-threatening job-killing leviathantine anglerfish.
Making the dangled light present as non-threatening is not a good thing for society, no matter how much you may personally like pretty lights.
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I miss o3 in that regard. if GPT-4o led people into virtual romance and over-validation, o3 gave me the same sort of "madness" but with work.
when I tried GPT-5, I was sad mostly because GPT-5 had some added wordiness. fluff, if you will. o3, though, is a black hole you can talk to, and it only gave information back if there was something to give back. that kind of vibe is my dream coworker
I miss o1-pro :/
south park christmas critters
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The best part about Muse is they think that the Enterprise is going to start buying things from Meta that looks like it belongs in a preschool. Muse and Ray-Ban surveillance glasses, Zuck must live in one hell of an echo chamber!
From the careless people woman we learn that he is unaccustomed to losing at Settlers of Catan because they all let him win.
If you're not much of a board game person this is _wild_ because Catan gets annoying with 1 beginner since you can see how they end up gifting the win to someone else.
So he either knows people are letting him win (and got mad at the newbie who didn't?) or he's too stupid to see them make mistakes or he thinks they're idiots but he keeps playing with them?
I dunno there was a lot of stuff from her that was damning but somehow this is the most damning thing to me, real insight into the man.
Reminds me of the UK prime minister's close protection officer and inner circle all gambling on the election date and getting caught.
What degree of corruption did you witness that this seemed OK?
With any luck he'll change the company name again, this time to "Surveillance Glasses", months before shutting down the whole division due to everyone hating the idea.
He even named it, Metaverse.
Yes, it is hard, psychologically, to grant trust to some silly perverse little thing I want crush like a surreal cartoonish cockroach.
You wouldn’t survive 5 minutes in Japan
I can't speak for parent poster, but it's not the cuteness. It's the "putting a cute face on something that's actually a bit sinister."
Hello Kitty isn't trying to harvest anybody's data or take anybody's job. Sanio makes cute things and they hope that you will exchange money for their goods. That's the whole relationship.
(I'm not even remotely anti-AI)
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It's not for us. It's for people who didn't see value in these products. And for the press. Doesn't make it good, but it can still be effective.
It’s really remarkable isn’t it? These are the very same people who are cosplaying Oppenheimer and comparing these products to the bomb.
Youre probably not the target audience, but at the same time, who exactly is?
It looks to me like non-LLM specialist who would like a prepackaged simple, ‘safe’ way to have an always-on personalised agent.
Senior and middle managers? (not using those as pejoratives, by the way - I am one)
Physically cringed at this comment
Absolutely ridiculous comment can't believe anyone would actually post this seriously.
I remember a while ago the discussion kinda steered from "The leading LLM provider will be the one with the better model" to "...will be the one with more user history".
Tools like OpenClaw and Pi seem to remove that from the equation, letting you keep your 'history' and customization while using whatever inference provider you want. If Muse takes off, which seems to be built upon or atleast arch'd similar to OpenClaw, I think we'll see the rise of on-device harnesses.
This would further the efforts to "resist all attempts to.... lock them into your service, and will drop you if your competitor makes a 3% better product, and will reject every upsell for actually profitable services.", imo. In a model-agnostic harness all you care about is speed, accuracy, and price.
> If Muse takes off, which seems to be built upon or atleast arch'd similar to OpenClaw, I think we'll see the rise of on-device harnesses.
> This would further the efforts to "resist all attempts to.... lock them into your service
Should make you "happy" to see that Nvidia's new safety feature-set might prevent you from running open models in the newr future, then...
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/open-agent-safety-platfor...
> habit of being aware of nefarious practices
Not all Nerds are the same. I've been attacked for questioning why some companies still use Oracle, when most of the ones I've worked at either migrated off Oracle or were in the process of doing so.
A lot of people in tech buy every bit into cargo culting and following what they've heard is popular or "what everyone does", without much justification or understanding.
Case in point: all the people who still loudly say everyone should jump from Oracle owned MySQL to MariaDB, in spite of MariaDB Inc doing practically everything the original MariaDB fork was meant to "protect" users from at the hands of Oracle.
I'm not saying oracle isn't a huge faceless corporation that wants nothing but money. I'm saying that tech people are IME better at following trends than doing real research themselves.
What did MariaDB Inc do?
Forgive my ignorance, I don't follow MySQL or its forks but I'm curious.
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> A lot of people in tech buy every bit into cargo culting and following what they've heard is popular or "what everyone does", without much justification or understanding.
Google Chrome enters the chat.
Everyone gets 'got' once
> They also have a nasty habit of....
This is extremely not the case.
> They also have a nasty habit of being aware of nefarious practices, will resist all attempts to and harvest their data
Lol what? Most of the hackernews gang consider themselves nerds and they lap this shit up! Every new overpriced and unnecessary product that gets released by google, meta, openai, anthropic, whoever, they lap it up!
The usage of Chrome and even worse nitpicking of Firefox is such a strange thing about this community.
Is everyone here actually a nerd? Or do they just work in tech. You might think they're the same but plenty of people wouldn't. There's certainly different types of nerds
I think there's a difference between tech enthusiasts and nerds. Sometimes they might overlap a bit as the technology and the commercialisation overlaps (e.g crypto Vs nfts) but I don't think they're the same thing. My napkin theory is that anything that makes you the end user in their product roadmap (e.g Claude, Ubuntu, AWS) gets tech fans while anything that might not be a fully coherent product but has you figuring out using it gets nerd fans (e.g open models, Debian, Home labs)
Not really. I use cloud AI a bit for development but I don't put personal data in it. That only runs on my local systems.
I also swap all the time for whoever is cheapest