I contacted Bosch in 2020 about buying BML500P retinal projectors in bulk, but they postponed the sale for several months because they were in talks with a major undisclosed customer about potentially exclusive rights to the patent. I never heard back.
"TDK demonstrates the world’s first direct retinal projection display for smart glasses using a meta-optic mirror". The qualifier is different. "using a meta-optic mirror" versus "using oscillating mirrors"
I remember reading that Sunnyvale CA was the safest city in the US!
I looked at wikipedia, and they say that too.
> Sunnyvale has consistently ranked as one of the safest ten cities (for cities of similar size) in the United States according to the FBI's crime reports.
Don't forget the Sony DSC-HX99 retinal projection camera kit, built with QD Laser. They had a custom RETISSA NEOVIEWER commissioned for the camera to allow for low-vision users to leverage it for photography.
Sadly no longer available. I've seen through one and it was vividly clear and detailed without my glasses on at all and it felt so gamechanging to have that kind of display technology in my hands.
I wrote a short story years ago about a tech CEO going to trial over a similar technology that turned out to mass-blind people. Just food for thought I guess.
I know "what does it look like" is open to mis-interpretation, but I think all of us would like something approximating to artwork which shows what you as a wearer "see" through this mechanism.
I don't worry about the fashion sense of the frames and lenses: I wan't to understand the perceptual effect on reality: Whats the overlay like?
I have a quite badly displaced retina due to a detachment. I wonder if technology like this could be used in conjunction with mapping the distorted retina in order to obtain a correct perceived image.
Hello I also suffer from a partially detached retina. I also have thought about what you proposed. I think the technical challenge here is that our brains adapt the broken input signal to correct the vision we perceive for the displacement so you’re not just reverse engineering the damaged retina but also the brain signal correction that takes place
Pretty much all my patents are being infringed at this point.
Lesson to anyone getting patents, they don’t matter unless you have $100M to fight Microsoft or oracle with. At that point might as well just keep your 100M and forget it
When you file a patent the patent attorneys tell you how critical it is to do so.
When someone infringes a patent, especially if you’re not commercializing your patent, the patent attorneys tell you, “wow, that looks really tough.”
It’s a big company game at this point, in general, or you’d need something that drives an immense amount of value before the patenting seems worth it, as far as I can tell.
Skimming that patent, I see little indication that you solved the actual practical problems with making something like this; you wrote down the problem statement, not the solution. This should not have been granted a patent.
Most countries, including the Japan and the US, recognize a patent in another country for filing purposes. Which is to say, if you need to sue someone in Japan, yes you need a patent in Japan. However, you bring your US patent to the Japan Patent Office and they consider that as your file date and so you can sue for infringements that happen before your patent in Japan was issued.
If this is actually useful for you, of course, you need a patent lawyer in the specific country you're talking about, which is not cheap, and that's why the other posters said millions of dollars. Patents are not worth it for most people because you still have to pay lawyers to get anything out of them. You also pay for your time in court, acting as witness and testifying and watching court proceedings instead of doing your own business.
When I wanted to file a patent, the attorneys told me it was only good as my ability to enforce it, which really means how much money I have vs the other guy
Asteroids is classic, but for monochrome vector games I would vote for the tank-vs-tank game 'Battlezone', especially if they could do separate images per eye and allow for stereoscopic rendering.
Hopefully they add a color model so we can play Tempest.
IBM was working on this in the early 90s[1], and had working demos in the late 90s/early 2000s. I'm pretty sure we would have heard about health risks by now
That's the first thing i have searched the current blue screen have already caused enough damage to eyes. but ig it's still in early prototype and i would be appreciated if they provided the affects that it might causes to eyes.
Light being from a laser does not automatically make it more dangerous. You can even shine a regular class IIIa laser pointer, with warning label still intact, directly into your eye and you'll blink long before it will do any damage.
The issue is intensity of light. These retinal projector lasers are not intense enough to damage your eye. A regular light at the same intensity as a powerful laser would damage your eyes just as much. It's just a lot harder to create a regular light that can reach that level of intensity.
I think the tricky part is if they start cranking up the intensity to counter it being scanned sequentially over a larger area...
First, what is the fail-safe in case the scanning mechanism fails? I.e. is the intensity safe if the beam becomes stationary? Or does it guarantee it goes dark when not properly scanning?
Second, what is the safe intensity limit for the brief visits to each target pixel area? As the scanned area increases, you need higher intensity to maintain the same visual brightness with a shorter exposure for any one spot. At some limit, is the pixel to area ratio too low and this intensity too great?
Third, does the optical path through the cornea and lens have any hot-spot where you have to also worry about peak flux with this projection technique?
played with one of these 'retinal displays' back in the late 90s at the university of washington. Pretty crazy stuff, apparently some guy with massive cornea damage was able to see the retinal projection clearly. At the time it was just monochrome and fairly low resolution (by todays standards) but very exciting.
TLDR: They demoed a direct retinal projection display with a thin, transparent mirror embedded in the lens, enabling glasses that look more like everyday eyewear while reducing costs compared with waveguide-based designs.
This picture (with English text) has a bit of the detail showing their reflector structure, which is also in one of the pictures of your Japanese page:
Neat, but hardly a world first (the original title said "...the world’s first direct retinal projection display...")
I first read about direct retinal projection displays (using oscillating mirrors no less) in Mondo 2000 [^1]
Hard to find much on the "Private Eye" hardware as I guess Reflection Technology (the manufacturer) went outta business in the mid 90's
But a 700x280 display painted onto your retina that looked like a full-ish size display hovering in space nonetheless, and downright epic for 1989
[^1]: https://microship.com/winnelife-interview-with-steve-roberts...
For the curious, a bit more info and some pics on these sites
https://glassdevelopment.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/hmd-histor...
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/reflection-technolog...
I contacted Bosch in 2020 about buying BML500P retinal projectors in bulk, but they postponed the sale for several months because they were in talks with a major undisclosed customer about potentially exclusive rights to the patent. I never heard back.
Ominous…!
"TDK demonstrates the world’s first direct retinal projection display for smart glasses using a meta-optic mirror". The qualifier is different. "using a meta-optic mirror" versus "using oscillating mirrors"
I appreciate your comment on the history.
lol, qualified claims are funny.
I remember reading that Sunnyvale CA was the safest city in the US!
I looked at wikipedia, and they say that too.
> Sunnyvale has consistently ranked as one of the safest ten cities (for cities of similar size) in the United States according to the FBI's crime reports.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnyvale,_California#Crime
also: "According to Sunnyvale's Department of Public Safety, confirmed gang members make up less than one percent of the population"
With the qualifiers, is it actually safe there? :)
The lens seems pretty similiar to PinTILT, who embed miniature reflectors in the lens - there's a nice whitepaper available by email on their site.
* https://letinar.com/en/pintilt
I saw a demo retinal dispaly at the university of washington in the late 90s.
At the HITlab?
I interviewed Dan Bricklin in '88 or '89 (for a magazine). Trippy dude. Lots of ideas.
Bricklin stated the optic nerve is exposed brain. So that when a laser projects an imagine directly on to the retina, it's like programming the brain.
Nope.
I decided right then and there I never needed a laser pointing at my eye ball.
Don't forget the Sony DSC-HX99 retinal projection camera kit, built with QD Laser. They had a custom RETISSA NEOVIEWER commissioned for the camera to allow for low-vision users to leverage it for photography.
Sadly no longer available. I've seen through one and it was vividly clear and detailed without my glasses on at all and it felt so gamechanging to have that kind of display technology in my hands.
https://electronics.sony.com/imaging/compact-cameras/all-vlo...
It's now transformed though, into the RETISSA VIEWCLEAR for your phone - https://retissa-vc.qdlaser.com/en/
>Sadly no longer available.
You can get one here: https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00297030
https://imgur.com/a/RF6vcVM
Always regretted not getting one of those cameras when they were available.
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I wrote a short story years ago about a tech CEO going to trial over a similar technology that turned out to mass-blind people. Just food for thought I guess.
I'd suggest something more realistc than a CEO suffering any consequences for their actions.
I remember the movie, starring Steve Martin...
I know "what does it look like" is open to mis-interpretation, but I think all of us would like something approximating to artwork which shows what you as a wearer "see" through this mechanism.
I don't worry about the fashion sense of the frames and lenses: I wan't to understand the perceptual effect on reality: Whats the overlay like?
I have a quite badly displaced retina due to a detachment. I wonder if technology like this could be used in conjunction with mapping the distorted retina in order to obtain a correct perceived image.
Hello I also suffer from a partially detached retina. I also have thought about what you proposed. I think the technical challenge here is that our brains adapt the broken input signal to correct the vision we perceive for the displacement so you’re not just reverse engineering the damaged retina but also the brain signal correction that takes place
I have a friend with the same issue and thought the same thing.
Comment above points to interesting Japanese device too:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49977339
this is cool tech, but I don't think display glasses will fully take off until head tracking/movement compensation is built-in (AR feature)
otherwise even just walking around causes the content to bounce around annoyingly
This looks strikingly similar to my 2017/20 patent:
https://kemendo.com/pdfs/USPatent10757400.pdf
Pretty much all my patents are being infringed at this point.
Lesson to anyone getting patents, they don’t matter unless you have $100M to fight Microsoft or oracle with. At that point might as well just keep your 100M and forget it
When you file a patent the patent attorneys tell you how critical it is to do so.
When someone infringes a patent, especially if you’re not commercializing your patent, the patent attorneys tell you, “wow, that looks really tough.”
It’s a big company game at this point, in general, or you’d need something that drives an immense amount of value before the patenting seems worth it, as far as I can tell.
OK sooo... is there a way to get investors to cover the legal costs?
Or just outright sell the patents to a competing big company and let them duke it out. Now at least you end up with some money.
Maybe we should get rid of patent protection. We already have enough welfare for megacorps, and this is just another form of it.
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Skimming that patent, I see little indication that you solved the actual practical problems with making something like this; you wrote down the problem statement, not the solution. This should not have been granted a patent.
Did you file for a patent in Japan? Foreign countries are not bound by United States patents; U.S. patent rights only apply within the United States.
Most countries, including the Japan and the US, recognize a patent in another country for filing purposes. Which is to say, if you need to sue someone in Japan, yes you need a patent in Japan. However, you bring your US patent to the Japan Patent Office and they consider that as your file date and so you can sue for infringements that happen before your patent in Japan was issued.
If this is actually useful for you, of course, you need a patent lawyer in the specific country you're talking about, which is not cheap, and that's why the other posters said millions of dollars. Patents are not worth it for most people because you still have to pay lawyers to get anything out of them. You also pay for your time in court, acting as witness and testifying and watching court proceedings instead of doing your own business.
Fair point
>Pretty much all [...] are being infringed at this point.
So, funny you say that. You know those AI companies that seem to have really good training data...
Good. Patents should not reward people for simply being the first to have an idea that others can easily discover independently.
When I wanted to file a patent, the attorneys told me it was only good as my ability to enforce it, which really means how much money I have vs the other guy
I learned that lesson too. But I also learned that you get what you pay for in terms of the patent attorney's skill in crafting claims.
They are pretty inarguable prior art for anyone who wants to compete with TDK.
"The current meta-optic mirror supports monochrome operation."
I would love monochromatic vector(not raster) HUD in my glasses. I could play the original Asteroids. Bah, bah, bah bah. Pew, pew!
Asteroids is classic, but for monochrome vector games I would vote for the tank-vs-tank game 'Battlezone', especially if they could do separate images per eye and allow for stereoscopic rendering.
Hopefully they add a color model so we can play Tempest.
Snowcrash here we go! ;)
That's so cool finally actually glasses instead of sunglasses!
Isn’t this dangerous for the eyes?
IBM was working on this in the early 90s[1], and had working demos in the late 90s/early 2000s. I'm pretty sure we would have heard about health risks by now
[1]: https://patents.google.com/patent/EP0562742A1/
Yeah I saw the main image of a green laser being projected into the eye and thought "nah, I'm good."
That's the first thing i have searched the current blue screen have already caused enough damage to eyes. but ig it's still in early prototype and i would be appreciated if they provided the affects that it might causes to eyes.
Blue light from screens does not damage eyes. https://scienceinsights.org/does-blue-light-actually-damage-...
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Light being from a laser does not automatically make it more dangerous. You can even shine a regular class IIIa laser pointer, with warning label still intact, directly into your eye and you'll blink long before it will do any damage.
The issue is intensity of light. These retinal projector lasers are not intense enough to damage your eye. A regular light at the same intensity as a powerful laser would damage your eyes just as much. It's just a lot harder to create a regular light that can reach that level of intensity.
I think the tricky part is if they start cranking up the intensity to counter it being scanned sequentially over a larger area...
First, what is the fail-safe in case the scanning mechanism fails? I.e. is the intensity safe if the beam becomes stationary? Or does it guarantee it goes dark when not properly scanning?
Second, what is the safe intensity limit for the brief visits to each target pixel area? As the scanned area increases, you need higher intensity to maintain the same visual brightness with a shorter exposure for any one spot. At some limit, is the pixel to area ratio too low and this intensity too great?
Third, does the optical path through the cornea and lens have any hot-spot where you have to also worry about peak flux with this projection technique?
played with one of these 'retinal displays' back in the late 90s at the university of washington. Pretty crazy stuff, apparently some guy with massive cornea damage was able to see the retinal projection clearly. At the time it was just monochrome and fairly low resolution (by todays standards) but very exciting.
TLDR: They demoed a direct retinal projection display with a thin, transparent mirror embedded in the lens, enabling glasses that look more like everyday eyewear while reducing costs compared with waveguide-based designs.
This Japanese article has a few more details: https://www.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/2145266.html
This picture (with English text) has a bit of the detail showing their reflector structure, which is also in one of the pictures of your Japanese page:
https://www.tdk.com/system/files/featured_stories/features-o...