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Comment by adrianN

6 hours ago

We lack a definition of consciousness that allows us to tell whether Data is conscious or not. Neither can we tell whether a rock is conscious or not. We believe other humans to be generally intelligent without being able to tell whether they are conscious or not therefore consciousness can’t be relevant for general intelligence.

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Loquebantur  6 hours ago

People somehow forget how the Turing test was considered the definitive way of showing something to be "human-level consciousness".

Now programmers and mathematicians are being superseded by AI, both professions long deemed the pinnacle of human intelligence. Somehow, now plumbers occupy that spot.

How is "people not knowing what consciousness is" relevant here in the first place? AI already can do practically everything the human brain can, and often better or at least faster. The "tipping point" arguably isn't only close, but we're practically on top of it.

  • skybrian  1 hour ago

    Turing’s imitation game is a party game like Werewolf or Mafia. It hasn’t been beat and nobody is really trying. LLM’s have obvious tells and will just straight up admit to being AI if you ask. Also, there’s no pool of human players to train against.

  • saulpw  5 hours ago

    The AI cannot smell a rose, nor mourn the loss of a parent, nor envision a more just world. These aren't fringe abilities of the human brain/mind either, they've been pretty definitional.

    • Loquebantur  5 hours ago

      Why are they so rare then?

      You evade the crucial point in any case: the lack in ethics and empathy is far too prevalent in humans already, but has certainly never prevented them from doing harm.

  • MichaelRo  5 hours ago

    >> People somehow forget how the Turing test was considered the definitive way of showing something to be "human-level consciousness".

    People somehow forget that the original Turing Test was designed to compare two participants chatting through a text-only interface: one AI and one human. The goal was to spot the imposter. Today, the test is simplified from three participants to just two: a human and an LLM. This changes the test from a comparison to a judgment.

    Stop spreading misinformation and partial truths!