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Comment by kooi

2 hours ago

I think where both camps get hung up is sometimes the process method group "ignores" the obvious outcomes and effectiveness of LLMs.

But the outcomes group "ignores" the fundamental limitations of models which are purely text based.

E.g, a baseball players trains to catch high-speed balls and they dont do it by: "ball velocity 50mph, vector:[1,2,3], run move hand command now"

That's absurd.

No, there is an embodied network which is "trained" on visual, tactile input, and control as direct output.

LLMs are fundamentally not the right tool for that.

> E.g, a baseball players trains to catch high-speed balls and they dont do it by: "ball velocity 50mph, vector:[1,2,3], run move hand command now"

That is a NN that learns a skill.

But that is not an Analyst. If it were ballistics, then the answer to "how to parametrize the launch to reliably hit the target" excludes getting the result through natural skill.

The problem lies in the need to get "AI" facing "LLMs": the latter create a need for reliability, for "AI".

Speech is an endowment of both those who give educated guesses via developed skills and of those who return answers like Analysts, who check and compute. LLMs create a confusion between the two, and they will remain a problem until an ability to act as Analysts - strictly - will be implemented.