Comment by vintermann
17 hours ago
> That's Russia we're talking about. You can have 1000 protocols and people will ignore them anyway.
Speaking as someone who has a part of their job convincing people to follow safety processes, this isn't a Russia thing, it's a human thing.
This is a human thing, of course, but in different cultures the emphasis on following the rules and taking safety measures is different. In Russia, there isn't one.
You sound like a proper Russia kremlinology expert. How many stints in Russia did you do?
Not sure what you mean by "stints" but I grew up there and experienced a lot of this myself. It has nothing to do with Kremlin, btw, Kremlin is not Russia. Kremlin rules Russia, but these are two completely different worlds. I know nothing about the former, but quite a bunch about the latter.
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Imagine if someone said something like this of a brown country. They would be banned right away.
I say it all the time.
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According to aquaintances in a few different industries where some of their competition is Russian: They basically work for vodka, then their equipment breaks down, they can't fix it and the customer has to call a western company. They apparently have no consistent maintenance or service protocol whatsoever, and in some rather safety critical areas.
According to my third cousin twice removed who once spelled the word "industry" (mostly correctly) - Americans basically work for McDonalds burgers. That's why they had to outsource high-precision manufacturing to Taiwan; they tried to make GPUs and phone chipsets in the US, but the 'muricans just kept getting their greasy fingers all over everything.
You are losing the topic. We aren't talking about manufacturing capability - which Russia still has a lot - but about safety culture. US and Russia are almost polar opposites here. While there are countries more safetyist than the US, not a lot of them. In current US culture, something "unsafe" just can't be done, and there are a myriad regulations which ensure everything is as "safe" as possible in a thousands of meanings of it. Of course, there are exceptions, there are crazy people everywhere, but the dominant culture is very safety-oriented. In Russia, this culture just does not exist. It doesn't mean there are no rules and regulations - but the cultural space they occupy are completely different. Sometimes it could be a huge advantage - you can move much faster if you don't have to pass 27 inspections each time you retighten a bolt - sometimes it could have very high costs.