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Comment by shlant

14 hours ago

do you realize that the entirety of the "evidence" you have presented is just hearsay? Slack messages and a diary? Seriously?

> The evidence it came from the Wuhan lab is overwhelmingly strong to the extent that anyone who believes otherwise should be suspected of motivated reasoning.

the irony

No it's not "hearsay", you can download the logs and diaries and read them for yourself. They are verified documentation.

I only bothered citing evidence relevant to your claim:

> almost nobody who understands the science and how viruses spread gives more credence to the lab leak theory

... which isn't true. Some of the people who pointed out early on that there was a coverup were molecular biologists (e.g. Alina Chan), virologists themselves admitted right up front it probably came from the lab despite their massive incentive to not conclude that, and it is obvious to anyone regardless of background that a novel coronavirus appearing literally right next to the only lab in the world doing GoF research on coronaviruses is not likely to be a coincidence.

The wet market was a distraction in the end caused by ascertainment bias. Most cases, once the data was fully collected, appeared along the length of a railway line with Wuhan Airport at one end and the WiV at the other.

But I have weary experience of this debate on Hacker News. Before anyone goes further with you, please confirm you do not yourself get grant money to do scientific research, nor have you in the past? Because way too many times over the years when this topic has come up the people most dismissive of the obvious facts about COVID have turned out to be epidemiologists, public health workers, virologists and so on - people with incentives to mislead the public about this topic and who have done so repeatedly. Fauci being a case in point, where there is abundant proof that he misled the public.

  • > Before anyone goes further with you, please confirm you do not yourself get grant money to do scientific research, nor have you in the past?

    You can't see that this is perfectly in line with conspiratorial thinking? You think everyone who has disagreed with you are essentially "paid shills"?

    I'm good. I can see this is not going to be productive.