Comment by 21asdffdsa12
9 hours ago
It would be solidarity, if there was not a heavy anti-solidarity side to it. You can import millions into this system that dont pay a dime, do not contribute to it (in fact need subsidys to make a living wage) but also consume the services in equal amounts.
That is not anti solidarity, I know Afternative für Deutschland voters like to frame it this way but it's not.
Please keep your narrow political views to yourself. Just because someone tells and true fact about hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees that didn’t payed a single Euro into the health insurance system keeps on benefiting from it, doesn’t make them an AfD voter. That’s a sentiment shared by people from every political spectrum in Germany from Linke to AfD.
If you like it or not, it is anti-solidarity if you benefit from a system that you have never contributed. That is just free loading and one should be ashamed of it.
The act of giving involves someone who receives, that doesn't make it anti-giving.
> it is anti-solidarity if you benefit from a system that you have never contributed
What's your stance on disabled children who can never sustain themselves?
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Aren't Ukrainians actually large net contributors?
"Should be ashamed" linked to refugees.
This is a clear comment showing that your moral compass is quite broken.
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That is not an argument though. He gave a specific example.
You brought up only AfD, without giving any counter-example or refuting his arguments. That's now how a discussion should work.
See it from the other side: the argument IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT with regards to AfD or any other party. So, an argument should be made from this point of view as well.
They haven't brought up any argument at all, they simply said that "millions imported into the system do not contribute", which is not an argument or a fact. Just a statement. What is there to discuss? Why are you holding my comment to a different standard, because you don't agree or what?
But just for you I have looked up the facts: 1.1 million Ukrainian refugees, and half of them are employed by now. 1.1 million including children, elderly, and so on, people who aren't able to work. A) its not "millions" B) german overall employment rate is about 45.5 million employed people out of 83.5 million residents. So they are totally in line with the average population.
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You can’t remove party politics from a discussion of national healthcare. It is absolutely relevant.
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