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Comment by culi

3 hours ago

How do you ensure privacy laws are being followed by police?

Also do you have any guarantees that national security apparatuses aren't able to access this data if they have the right excuse (e.g. counter-terrorism, narcotics enforcement, etc)

Nothing is foolproof. But I have far more trust that the police in the Netherlands will make reasonable choices with private data than a US for-profit surveillance company. In a functioning democracy, the police are kept honest via voters. Flock is only beholden to their investors, and their bottom line.

  • Sure, but I don't think we can make the Netherlands police in charge of our largest surveillance network.

    Flock is despicable but after all the documented abuses of the system (assuming you don't accept that the entire system is an abuse) were enacted by cops (read: public officials).

    I don't think a law making only ICE/FBI/etc able to access the data will do much to slow the rapid expansion of the surveillance state

Right now, we are pretty much guaranteed that they can access the data. As opposed to no guarantees that they can't.

I'm not clear the point of your post. Is it to say that what we had before is not guaranteed safe, so let's do this worse centralized thing because reasons?

  • The Netherlands situation is not a legal (nor political) possibility in the US. US police is extremely decentralized compared to other nations

    Settling for some minor reforms is not the answer to the US's exploding surveillance state problem