Sorry, I'm in a meeting

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At a past firm I managed a team of SREs.

This was very much a "fire drill all the time" kind of place (vs "slow and steady"). The team came to me and said:

"Alex, we keep getting bombarded by meeting requests and have no focus time."

My solution was to create a weekly "team meeting" from 8am to 11am every Friday and invite all of them to it.

They loved it!

I mentioned to them that making a meeting like this was something they could have done themselves but they responded:

"It carries more weight coming from you. Plus, if someone tries to schedule over it, they are more likely to think twice and/or I can say 'Hey, you have to talk to Alex.' "

  • yep, did the same for my team at one place "[IMPORTANT] CUSTOMER OUTAGE" (or something similar).

    We had a publicly viewable calendar policy. And I couldn't believe the audacity of people in other areas to take it upon themselves to just book over the top of existing meetings because they had decided their meeting was more important. And I'm not talking a group meeting where it's hard to find a gap that works for everyone, these were essentially 1:1 meetings where the organizer was someone with a little more seniority. No polite ask/DM first if it's ok, or a note in the invite to explain. Just see "focus time - no meetings" or something else _they_ deemed not important and they'd schedule it in that block and assume the IC wouldn't challenge their authority.

    So had to play them at their own game to give my team their time back. The meeting was as much as an invite to them to challenge my authority as their previous attempts were. Conveniently it worked and nobody would book over my meeting. I do not miss working for larger companies.

    • It depends. In the situation where an Ops team has become stuck in firefighting mode, that's something which is often painfully obvious to the rest of the org. And, in that case, it's possible to make a good case for deliberately reorienting towards strategic rather tactical work.

      Blocking out, say, 2x2 hours each day for "problem management" (fixing root causes of recurrent issues) becomes easy in that situation, with no subterfuge needed. Alternatively, you can nominate part of the team to be either on-call or entirely dedicated to incidents, shielding everyone else who can be dedicated to strategic work full-time (obviously, you need to do regular rotations).

      The team themselves often need help in adjusting to that (firefighting can make you feel like a hero so, although stressful, it can be addictive). Blocking out specific timeslots can be helpful from this point of view, too - incidents often seem a lot more manageable if they're not crashing in on top of you at unpredictable intervals.

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  • I've been fully remote fo a long time now, but I used to do this with my team and other colleagues. We'd book a conference room and create a 'meeting', but it was just a bunch of us quietly working on our laptops in the conference room (no audio, no calls was the rule), uninterrupted for a few hours at a go. It was quite popular.

  • This is brilliant, excellent example of the ideal of "management as shielding devs from higher-level corporate shenanigans" in action.

    • I tried to embody this ideal when I managed a team, but realized shielding too much meant less connection of members with the wider org and too much dependency on me for context and such. Overall, this meant we were a lower value team for the org.

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  • I do this to make sure I get time for lunch— I mean, time for Daily Nutrition Sync lol

  • I have done the same. FWIW, a 2-3 hour block seems to be the sweet spot, as far as keeping it off the radar goes. Ironically, having multiple a week doesn’t seem to raise an eyebrow.

  • Our product security and engineering teams do the same thing to defend against the project managers - an 8am-2pm product sync every monday and friday. Its worked for years now.

  • I've done this, but IMO one of the nicest things about it is that people have the option to use it as an actual meeting place. It's like taking over an open conference room where people can wander in & out at will -- except invited members of the team are the only ones who can actually get in. Do your collaboration and then wander off, or just take your headphones off. There have been many times I've joined the meeting and there are two or three people in there just silently working. They just wanted to be near each other and hide from everybody else! Adorable.

  • > My solution was to create a weekly "team meeting" from 8am to 11am every Friday and invite all of them to it.

    I've been part of these and the focus time is nice.

    It doesn't address the root problem, though. If engineers are being bombarded with meetings, those meetings just get squished into the afternoon time slot.

    The secondary problem was that some people started treating the blocked-out time as their only work time. Once that dedicated block came to an end, they mentally switched out of work mode and were not going to do any more work until the next morning. Before all of the "nobody can do more than 3 hours of good work per day" replies, this was a real problem because people also used this time for discussion things with each other on the team, actual team meetings, and various things other than heads-down work, leaving less than the allotted time for actually working. It was also a problem when something would come up at 2:30PM and the person responsible would defer it to next morning's work session instead of taking an hour to do the work. This might all sound like minor annoyances and it was only some people doing it, but the theme repeated itself so much that many of us soured on the idea over time.

    The bigger problem was that it didn't address the real issue. Every situation is different and in my case the manager was part of the problem. His solution to everything and answer to every question was to get two people talking. He thought of himself as a switchboard, routing people to other people on our team.

    Blocking out meeting time helped a little, but what we really needed was an active manager who was handling communications himself and only bringing the team in when needed. We also needed him to have our backs when we declined meetings or asked if they could be an e-mail.

    The healthier managers I've had take a constant, active interest in keeping their teams' meeting workloads down and rooting out interruptions and distractions. They also empower their team to forward meeting requests to the manager to evaluate and ask that external requests at least cc them for visibility. Every time I've had a manager like that, I haven't felt the need for blocked out focus time.

  • I once worked on a team of SREs where the workload was so atrocious that we had HR make up new virtual employees Team On-call Primary and Team On-call Secondary and, other than the manager, they were the only accessible team members. We gave these virtual employees their own laptops and phones. When your shift ended, or you needed a break, you handed the gear to the next guy. We didn't have a formal schedule because it was common to get burned out in just three or four days, or if it was a rare calm period you might hang on to the laptop a bit longer until you got a chance to get properly throttled.

    It worked exceptionally well because then the other employees were unable to individually bother team members. The team name in the HR directory was something vague and reported to the skip level, so unless you were in the know, we were totally invisible to the rest of the org. For some context we were keeping many millions of dollars of daily transactions afloat and it was not unusual to receive death threats from business folks when they couldn't do their jobs.

    I don't miss it remotely, but I sometimes miss being a member of an invisible force with superuser privileges, with the blessing to unfuck anything we saw fit.

    • > we were keeping many millions of dollars of daily transactions afloat and it was not unusual to receive death threats from business folks when they couldn't do their jobs

      That's crazy. My team works on a part of a system handling several million $/day, and if something goes wrong then everyone's chill about it. Lost $100k revenue? Happens. We'll have the comms team send out something about it. The most heated things got was a time that a manager said something along the lines of "yeah it'll be bad if we can't roll out this thing in the next 2 hours." If I got a death threat that's an instant email to HR.

  • Weaponizing meetings for defensive purposes. I love it.

    Working in education I am glad that this is not a problem where I am. As government employees we are all understaffed and overworked, and all meetings are short and to the point, because they are good when you need them, but most of the time you don't and a well written Email or a phone call is enough.

This has real demand, I ended up in the Gitlab secondary youtube channel one day, ordering by most views, and I found a video [0] of a seemingly normal uninteresting meeting with millions of views. Turns out people were using this as an excuse for looking like they were busy. They disabled comments now but I saved some of them because I thought it was hilarious:

I play this when I need my family to leave me alone - so helpful 4.5K I play this when I pretend to be busy. This meeting is literally about anything you want it to be about lol 1.5K I love that we all arrived at this video for the same reason 2.6K Every now and then I'll pause it at a good point in between them talking to make my own voice heard contributing to the "meeting" lol. Gets the full effect in! And the beautiful thing is their conversation just flows with it like they heard me lol. 562

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBVtvOpU80Q

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    • I don't think there is a human left without an ad blocker at this point. Am I wrong, or are people still clueless?

There's no one talking over another, each audio clip plays only, and immediately after one stops. The voice clarity is also too clear as most synthetic voices are for the obvious reason of being understood. Never sounding organic. Does this fool my toddler? Maybe.

The scripts are hilarious, yet not inaccurate. I can't stop chuckling. 'Are you happy with that?' 'Happy is a strong word' 'OK' moves on to the next topic

Reminds me of the "boss mode" / "boss key" in old games, like MS-DOS days, which would switch the screen to some spreadsheet mockup or suchlike, updated for the current century.

Audio seems broken now, maybe hugged to death. Console:

  HTTP load failed with status 404. Load of media resource https://iminafleeting.com/media/people/standup-a.mp4 failed

  • There's a few that don't work, I was able to get the some of the "scoping" meetings to play the audio.

Do people in offices typically just blast meetings out of their computer speakers? Everyone I work with uses headphones so we're not disturbing other people in the office...

  • Yes, because that's exactly what offices are for. I wouldn't do it if I had to sit out in the bullpen with the commoners though.

  • Unless you have good ANC headphones, or find something like pink noise that fits you, you're still dealing with all the talking to microphone of your colleagues.

    • It's less noisy when you hear 5 people talk in 5 meetings than when you hear 50 people talk in those 5 remote meetings.

    • It's hard to describe how difficult it is to hear someone talking and then a second later hear then in your headphones. It really breaks my concentration. And it's a solvable technology problem - just use the local network for people in the same subnet. But every meeting provider wants _everything_ routed through their servers. There's no escaping they prying eyes.

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Truly uncanny!

Only the British audio works for me, though - if I try American or International, the relevant meetings are silent with a "Join Audio" button which doesn't appear to do anything. (Firefox on MacOS, if that's useful)

  • Yeah we need a dial to mix accents and dialects, and level of English fluency. I could want 50% English, maybe some Northern English, Welsh or Scottish, and mix in Indian accents, various American, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish, Scandinavian, the odd token Aussie. Etc.

    That I could enable more South African, or Middle East accents in some meetings would be true to real life as well.

    Not Finnish. The silence would not work :)

  • Same, console says something about missing or "unsuitable" audio resources.

    Sad, I wanted the international broken Zoom call

  • Thanks, British scoping meeting worked on iOS. Probably would pass muster with family. Even a little laugh in there I heard after a joke.

> Want to feature your product in a fake meeting? > Advertise with us →

Best monetization strategy for a shitpost I've ever seen!

Great idea, but the voice or rhythm of the conversation still does not feel authentic. Might fool someone if it's in the background though.

Some decades ago there was an actual product you could buy that did the analog version of this service. It was a cassette tape with various background noises, so you could call your boss or spouse from a payphone and play background noise from (for example) a car mechanic’s shop while you explained that you’re not coming because your car broke down. The auto repair recording had a convincing mix of clanging, hammering, and car engine sounds, but there were a dozen other scenarios to choose from on the tape.

Voices sound too well recorded, and professionally coached. Theses sound like robotic voice-over artists or narrators. Normal people don't talk this clearly or have microphones set up this well.

What are all the names for the category of such software... "Self-defense Software", "Busy Simulation Software", "Faux Work Software", "Fake Meeting Software"[0], "Virtual Meeting Simulator"[1], "Prank Screens"[2], ...? Are there many others?

[0]: https://fakemeeting.app/

[1]: https://z.tools/t/fake-meeting

[2]: https://www.whitescreen.online/

This is quite relaxing as background noise I can safely ignore and work on my project in piece. Working solo all day at home can eat into my sanity :)

It's basically big corp ASMR.

We need a fake teams / zoom UI with faces talking. You know, for those working in open plan.

Where's the HR-faced "Can everyone turn on their cameras please?" one with 200 people in the call.

I retired a few months ago. These calls have taken me back to the horror of working in tech. It must be what PTSD is like.

This is the greatest use of AI that I've seen so far - thank you :)

Not sure I understand the site. Each option just shows a grid of names (like a Zoom call) but there's no audio or video. The "How It Works" section implies there's audio at least, but not working on Desktop Firefox / Linux.

A great future feature would be able to generate my own audio using AI on the topic I want and overlay it on this.

Fantastic product! Needs people talking over each other for greater authenticity, I reckon.

This is hilarious but that API Design Review meeting is stressful AF. I can't have that on speaker anywhere near me and concentrate on anything else meaningful. Human voices are incredibly distracting unless there are enough of them to create a general background wall of sound - if I can pick out what individuals are saying, that's no bueno.

  • Same, wonder if that’s an ADD thing. Because most people don’t seem to have the same issue

So they focus-worked only on Friday 8am to 11am? I usually barely arrive to the office by 11am.

Trying to access this site on my corporate Windows laptop and it was blocked "by your IT admin" (in Windows itself, not the browser/proxy). So it's already on some kind of list.

  • New domain registrations typically aren't on a list yet, which, in itself gets blocked.

This is hilarious except not a single of the AI generated voices have Indian, russian or south american accents in any of the SRE, Software or API meetings so immediately suspect :) -also everybody is extrovert?

Listening to so many white-coded american voices talk about APIs has never happened in any American company I have ever worked for (Except maybe the Fed Gov)

-please do the needful

https://iminafleeting.com/?v=en-US&m=api

I've just spent 20 minutes listening to a conversation about John Carol. Did you know...

This is great, and the modern equivalent of the ancient "Fake Progress Bar" app that you could have on screen for the reassurance of bosses walking past.

Maybe a silly question, but without video isn't this obviously fake? Or is it normal for all participants on a call to be audio only?

  • Depends on the company. At my last job it was rare for anyone to have video on in remote meetings, and at my current job it's rare for anyone to have video off.

    • Yup.

      At the company I was at from 2014-2021, cameras were always off.

      2021-2023, there the cameras were always on. Even during the all-company meetings, at least 80% had their cameras on. Though it was a small company of 75 when I started and 180 when I left (though it was becoming 135 as I was leaving).

      At my current place, it's kind of a mix. Small team of 3-5 people, usually on. Larger group meeting, most people off. All-company (about 300 people), only about 50 cameras.

  • Pretty normal. Camera's usually stay off unless it's a 1-1, presentation, or maybe a VP level call.

The audio level is quite high...I had to set my speakers audio level down to 20% so as not to annoy the cats

This is a hysterical idea and I love it. I have no need for it because wfh, but its so funny.

It made me realize how easy to would be to build your own custom version of the audio. Feed your corporate approved LLM some content to generate a script on, to mention your company name, your products, your stupid internal codenames because some exec thinks they are clever. Nothing secret of course, and have it generate a bunch of mindless chatter. "Ah yes, lets circle back about Project Panamax, the expected delivery in Q2 is pushed back to Q3 due to the release of the new Guard feature".

For maximum plausibility, can you please add the "scope deliverable asset" lady voice track?

This is fun. The audio isn’t particularly believable. Not that it matters for this project.

I’ve used a few tts providers and although a technical marvel they are all still easily identifiable as ai. Humans are very good at spotting fakes.

This project might work better with mostly canned audio clips of real humans.

  • I disagree. I think many of the audio elements are highly believable for lay people.

I’ve disabled adsense so you guys can enjoy it with UX in mind - tho I have allowed for adverts to sneak into the meetings cough

Simple solution for focus time. If it stops people from setting up an actual meeting for something that fits in an email, it is already doing critical infrastructure work.

I am missing something about how this could hypothetically be useful. If I played this in the background it would be far too distracting to get any actual work done.

Reminds me of the fake Windows Update page.

  • Takes me back. I remember there was a version of the fake Windows 8 update sequence that had it infinitely loop between "Working on updates..." and the frowny-face :( BSOD

Wait a second is that ad thing ironical? Not a big fan of covert advertising.

Please add other language versions! Should be easy to do, and would help us from non-English speaking countries.

  • I have that but I think translations and dialect will make it sound less convincing … I can always add it as a beta

I'm not getting any audio, bunch of 404s on loop.m4a... anyone else?

EDIT: seems like British audio does work

All Hands:

Worker: "I'd like to ask about pay review. The numbers look really strong, and some people are probably wondering if that's going to show up in review."

Exec: "That's a great question. I don't want to say anything I can't promise, but we're going to be looking at all our options and I'm sure we're going to look to reward great performance. Does that help answer your question?"

Sketch comedy writers, look out. This thing is sadly, hilariously, accurate.

Where is the one with the senior staff who dont know how to mute (nobody wants to lose their job by mentioning it), has what sounds like a blender next to the microphone and occasionally yells at their dog to get off the couch?

For those who don't need the audio and just need to look like busy on teams, there is still the possibility to start a meeting with yourself from the calender.

This is what I do if I kneed quite tunnel-time.

Every time I participated in corporate business calls I wondered "where these people take all these sentences and words from?". Now I know, they were computers.

coming from someone who is the farthest from an ai hater, these zero effort cookie cutter one shot claude sites are just bleh. Why would I bother using the site if you put in 0 effort

  • Because it’s interesting and useful (and if it isn’t, then a handcoded bespoke design wasn’t going to make it useful)

what a fucking stupid meetings with stupid accents and stupid people talking stupid corporate shit making it sound like they are engineering a rocket. ffs, you are the plumbers writing the cruds.

smart meetings have `pauses`, `thoughts` and `i don't knows`. this is so fucking stupid that i find it lame enough not to use it.

I'm gonna ironically make a Claude theme and use that if I ever hand write a site again. :)

This is hilarious, but I think people should be addressing the real issue instead of this, maybe that work environment isn’t for you and it’s time to look somewhere if you need to pretend. Just say you’re busy or fill your calendar with whatever you are working on without a meeting, in fact, a lot of meetings is a sign of a wasted time so if I see someone (especially technical) is doing a lot of meeting I know they are wasting time or slacking.