The city boundaries, which I admit is kind of arbitrary/weird for LA (city). If you include the county, or MSA it's obviously way less dense.
What bothers me the most is how so many Americans seem to have this irrational fear of cities. They think they are more dangerous, dirty, difficult, etc than they really are, by a wide margin. And they vastly under-estimate the amenities and quality of life they bring, along with the extent to which they make all of the wealth of the country even possible.
They wring their hands and complain that allowing more building will turn their city into NYC, which is just crazy on the face of it.
Brandolini alert. It only took me 7 seconds to Google search to disprove this statement. How long until we have an auto-bot that will just reject stupid, lazy, false comments like this?
My Google searches:
> los angeles city density
> 8,210 people per square mile
Next:
> san francisco density
> 18,635 people per square mile
Look, I've visited NYC and there's a lot of nice things, such as mass transit that basically works, food options everywhere, etc. I liked it more than I expected I would.
But there's not a lot of peacefulness. There's certainly not peacefulness outside my bedroom windows anywhere I could afford to live. Sleeping with windows open and waking to birdsong rather than traffic sounds is quality of life for me.
I love cities, and even NYC, but I would never say that mass transit in NYC is "nice". Yes, it is convenient, but it probably needs 25B USD in refurbishment to bring it up to the level of any decent system in Western Europe or East Asia.
The city boundaries, which I admit is kind of arbitrary/weird for LA (city). If you include the county, or MSA it's obviously way less dense.
What bothers me the most is how so many Americans seem to have this irrational fear of cities. They think they are more dangerous, dirty, difficult, etc than they really are, by a wide margin. And they vastly under-estimate the amenities and quality of life they bring, along with the extent to which they make all of the wealth of the country even possible.
They wring their hands and complain that allowing more building will turn their city into NYC, which is just crazy on the face of it.
Brandolini alert. It only took me 7 seconds to Google search to disprove this statement. How long until we have an auto-bot that will just reject stupid, lazy, false comments like this?
My Google searches:
Next:
So, SF is 2x the density of LA.
Look, I've visited NYC and there's a lot of nice things, such as mass transit that basically works, food options everywhere, etc. I liked it more than I expected I would.
But there's not a lot of peacefulness. There's certainly not peacefulness outside my bedroom windows anywhere I could afford to live. Sleeping with windows open and waking to birdsong rather than traffic sounds is quality of life for me.
I love cities, and even NYC, but I would never say that mass transit in NYC is "nice". Yes, it is convenient, but it probably needs 25B USD in refurbishment to bring it up to the level of any decent system in Western Europe or East Asia.
You don't have to live in a city if you don't want to. In Japan you can choose if you want to live in the countryside or in the smack middle of Osaka.
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Yeah, cars are the #1 of quality of life problem in cities.
Honestly a lot of arguments will be settled if the posters location was known. Culture influences a lot of wrong opinions.