Comment by MiroslavPokorny
1 day ago
Theres only one solution, ban third party advertising. Everything else is a compromise that doesnt work anyway.
1 day ago
Theres only one solution, ban third party advertising. Everything else is a compromise that doesnt work anyway.
The problem isn't advertising, it's data harvesting and sale. Ads used to rent space on websites - totally reasonable. The whole industry around the purchase and sale of user data is what needs to be banned.
Consequences are deeper than the immediate cause. Advertising is at the heart that gives a lot of value to data harvesting and similar scams.
Data harvesting gains most of its value because they sell some or all data to businesses which wish to leverage that data in advertising. If they cant advertise they wont need most of the data, which should at the least reduce the problem significantly...
Advertising and paid promotion in any form has never been ok. It has always been a cancer on society. That is what happens when you ignore a mild symptom until it metastasizes into something horrible. We need to ban it completely.
Much as i hate being advertised to, i do like the existence of trade, and of new products. In the old days, you would take your products to market once a week on a cart, and the market would pass by your stall. That isn't how it works any more.
Generally, how can society discover new products and services?
I would be open to having some kind of directory that i could browse at my own convenience, but that's ultimately going to devolve to paid placement.
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You can never get rid of advertising entirely. Ultimately people want to learn about new products and services and new companies that couldn't ever advertise anywhere would die off. It makes sense to support limitations on how and where ads are used though. Banning surveillance capitalism would solve a lot of the problems we have and would mean that a website about cars can still show ads about things people who go to car websites would typically be interested in and that's pretty much the only level of targeting we need.
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That's one perspective. Other are in different perspectives, like "anything that present something else than the very topic looked for is pure propaganda."
The spectre of possible interpretations is wide.
Some see only problems everywhere whatever the benefits might be, some see only new opportunities no matter the tragic outcomes, some see various blend of this and that.
Theres only one problem most what people call opportunities are not actually positive life experiences.
Or ban all advertising, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269
Fingerprinting is still needing for preventing fraud and platform abuse like spam.
How do you tell the difference between a regular human trying to not have a weird creepy perma-dossier collected on them... versus a bot set up to always look like a new visitor?
The only winning move is not to play--er, to somehow not to have this kind of game in the first place.
You don't, you simply make both spend a few billion cpu cycles for it. The human will tolerate the one-time cost. The bot's owner won't because it's not scalable.
It doesn't actually work for that
I worked in fraud prevention for years and device fingerprinting didn't stop fraud, but it reduced it by upping the up the cost. It is not hard to circumvent fingerprinting, but it still takes a non-zero amount of effort on behalf of the fraudster. Device fingerprints helped us identify and block or prevent a lot of low effort fraud and abuse on various platforms.
If it didn't, why do you think every captcha solution uses it? It doesn't have to be 100% effective to be useful.
How would you enforce that? Who can be trusted with the ability to classify things as advertising and in so doing silence their critics?
The solution is explicit trust. Not fingerprints for users, but digital signatures for content. If it's not signed by somebody the user trusts, don't render it.
The user is the only one who can be approach that task without a conflict of interest. If somebody wants the user to run code that phones home about user behavior, make them gain the user's trust.
Many countries ban cigarette advertising. Not saying its perfect but has helped reduce smoking.
That works if your ads have a physical location in space, like a billboard or a radio station, so that you have a place to go when you decide it's time to shut them down. You can't even get a stable URL for a web ad. Where are the cops gonna go? How many different "not my problem try this guy" hops are they gonna have to traverse before they find somebody who actually did the bad thing, how many different countries will they have to visit while they do so?
It only works if you re-architect the web into something that's even more censorship friendly than it currently is. I hate ads too, but the medicine seems worse than the disease in this case.
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