Comment by hax0ron3
4 hours ago
I think part of why some people "trust" the CCP more is because if you live in the broader Western sphere, you're probably more likely to get hurt by the US government than by the Chinese one. Many of the same people would not trust the CCP more if they lived in China.
I live in the US, so I'd probably rather have the CCP snoop through my data than have the US government do it. If I lived in China, it would be the opposite.
Yeah you're right. I always use a model like GLM served straight from z.ai if I'm asking about anything that could be construed as nefarious. I'm a US citizen and don't trust my own government. The CCP doesn't give a shit about me as anything other than some data point.
Ok, but do you not see where this leads? This leads to RL on your data at the very least, which leads to the CCP having true SOTA models, which they will obviously stop making open once it benefits them just like OAI and Ant. Here we are now, with TFA model not open at all.
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Again, I am not pissed at you or anyone in your position. I get it. I am pissed at the Project 2025 type people who destroyed our institutions, and in the decades prior they destroyed our mutual trust in our own country. (With the help of foreign actors ffs)
2025 types declared us the enemy while they took over everything, and it turns out it goes both ways. BTW, I don't mean this in left/right partisan way. The 2025/authoritarian type people don't seem to be aware that they made even non-partisan people feel like they are now being tread upon. There is so much proof of this on HN, like this thread, and many others.
My thesis is that just like every other authoritarian scheme in the last hundred years, these people have not thought it through, and in the end will make their country less powerful. Would be arguably OK if there weren’t even bigger assholes ready to fill the vacuum.
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Once chinese models will stop being open we can all stop using them. There is no moat and switching models take 10 seconds.
These Chinese companies use the data in ways that enable scamming of millions of people and businesses per year. The sheer amount of cybercrime that comes out of China and NK is crazy, its genuinely a threat to average people.
There are a lot of bad things you can say about China that gonna be true, but it's not well known for running scam call centers - quite opposite.
Authoritorian state with highly controlled internet and financial system isnt exactly a good place for running criminal enterprises.
There just 1.4 billions people in a country and many of them well educated and tech-savvy, so it obvious there just more scammers in total. But I doubt higher percent of population doing scams than average in the world.
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