Comment by asdfman123

My complaint, and the complaint of many is not the models - they can be good to very good depending on use case.

What sucks, hard, is googles ability to deploy direct to devs and customers at scale when the deployment is not a longstanding Google project.

Case in point: I’m an ultra subscriber and see in my app right now an ad to try Gemini 4; meanwhile the only models I have available are 3.1 pro,3.6 flash, and 3.8 thinking.

Clicking the try gemini 4 link takes me to a demo prompt that loads 3.6 flash. Srsly

I won’t even start telling you what getting api key based access together was like a year ago.

I think google makes great models, my favorite models have been google models. My critisisms are with the infrastructure around the models (or lack of them),things like billing, access, changes to terms and limits, pricing etc. All of these have shown either inconsistency, lack of care, sometimes confusing offerings, and things that felt like rug pulls.

Please google, just make it easy for me to give you money and get what I paid for.

People have very short attention spans and cheerlead whoever is winning at any particular point in time.

For agentic coding, Claude Code with the latest Fable or Opus is still just better. That's what people care most about.

Unless Gemini CLI greatly improves and Argon works well in it, this probably won't make a dent in the coding market.

"I don't understand why people don't like our models but we can't get our act together on the products they use those models in"

Because Google models are crap. They are on par with local shit models. Last time I tried they were unable to even hold a longer conversation, because they would enter loop and reiterate last answer regardless of the prompt etc.

Then basic mistakes (inferring wrong information from the given text, hallucinations...). Gemini is okay for some absolute basics and the rest of the work goes to actual frontier models.